[Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
Rick Lange
SloopBlueHeron at ISP.Com
Sun Sep 24 20:00:26 EDT 2006
Anne,
You go girl!
I just got back from a 25 knot sail on
Lake Erie. Kept unfurling until I reached hull speed. When I got farther
out in the lake where the wind was stronger, I furled until the boat
stopped rounding up.
No other sailboats were out. It was just me
and the freighters. What a glorious sail.
Rick
> Sir,
> your news is totally incorrect!
> THe IMF enabled me to
sail alone in 30mph + winds.
> In higher winds the IMF gives you
any number of choices of
> size of your main. Likewise, the
roller furling enables your
> choice of jib size. I would put out
two hankies and go! Alone!
> Anne
>
>
-----Original Message-----
>
From:
rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly Garner
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:24 PM
> To: The Rhodes
22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>
>
> I've gotten news that the Rhodes 22 isn't
exactly easy to handle in
> stronger
> winds. What are
your feelings on handling in say 20 knots or a little
> stronger?
>
> Erly
> ----- Original Message -----
>
From: "Bob Keller"
<r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
> To:
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 18,
2006 8:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>
>
>> Philip,
>> I think the wide
beam and flared hull does make the boat more stable and
>>
less prone to capsize. But I also think a deeper fixed keel would do
>> the
>> same and would point better. However, it's
not as trailerable, so there
>> are always compromises. My
point was that the wide beam negatively
>> affects pointing
ability. I previously owned a 21' piece of crap boat
>> that
had a very heavy, steel swing keel. The beam was also pretty
>> narrow-probably 6 feet. It pointed very high and was very
stable. But
>> it
>> smelled really bad...
>> Bob K
>>
>>
>>>From:
"Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>>>Reply-To:
The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: RE:
[Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006
04:09:05 -0400
>>>
>>>Bob,
>>> Doesn't the wide beam make the boat more laterally stable,
that is,
>>> less
>>>prone to capsize?
>>>
>>>Philip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob
Keller
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:37 PM
>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>Subject:
Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>
>>>Erly,
>>>I've had my '95 R-22 for 5 years in
both fresh and salt water and I do
>>>love
>>>the boat, but the boat and design does have some drawbacks.
It does not
>>>point very high into the wind because of the
wide beam and lack of a
>>> deep
>>>fixed
keel (which makes it trailerable). The keel centerboard
>>>
combination
>>>is also a compromise and my
"diamond-board" configuration is just not
>>>
that
>>>great for windward sailing. In five years I have
had ongoing, almost
>>>continuous problems with the
centerboard not raising and lowering freely
>>>and
>>>am currently having those problems again. Matter of fact am
going to
>>> pull
>>>the boat next weekend
and try to repair the centerboard again. While
>>> the
>>>Compac 23 does not have the amenities, it does have a fixed
keel and
>>>probably points better because I don't think
the beam is as wide.
>>> Still,
>>>I
>>>chose the Rhodes over the Compac and have been very pleased,
despite
>>> these
>>>ongoing problems. If
you have the "older design" centerboard, you might
>>>be
>>>better off. Good luck.
>>>Bob K
>>>Yankee Clipper
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "Erly Garner"
<erlyg at charter.net>
>>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22
mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >To:
"The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:02:18 -0500
>>> >
>>> >My auto manual says absolutely
3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't sound too
>>> >good. Maybe
it's time I thought about getting a new car.
>>> >
>>> >Erly
>>> >----- Original Message
-----
From: "Mary Lou Troy"
>>>
><mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> >To: "The
Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to tow
>>> 5,000
>>> >>lbs. It does ok
hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a couple of
>>> times
>>>a
>>> >>year. It we were to tow
long distances more often and if we had a lot
>>>
>>of
>>> >>hills we might look for something a
little beefier. The Rhodes does
>>> tow
>>>
>>well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities weigh
>>> >>something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a
bit longer to set up
>>> than
>>>a
>>> >>boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which
allows you to
>>> raise
>>> >>mast,
sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is heavier
>>> than
>>> >>the individual pieces so a
mast raising system like the once GB sells
>>>
>>comes in very handy.
>>> >>
>>> >>Best,
>>> >>
>>> >>Mary Lou
>>> >>1991 R22
Fretless
>>> >>Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
>>> >>
>>> >>At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006,
you wrote:
>>> >>>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so
from Edenton and am planning a trip
>>> for
>>>a
>>> >>>check-out sail. I haven't
heard any comments about towing with my
>>>
>>>Toyota. I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized
>>> truck.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Erly
>>> >>>-----
Original Message -----
From: "Philip"
<3drecon at comcast.net>
>>> >>>To: "The
Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
>>> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>See, I said there is a negative for every
positive and visa versa
>>>(i.e.
>>>
>>>>the
>>> >>>>boring list).
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
On Behalf Of Brad
>>> Haslett
>>>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
>>> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
22
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>>>Philip,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice.
They made a 22' foot boat
>>>that
>>>
>>>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
>>> legendary.
>>> >>>>The
>>> >>>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the
most room of any 30
>>> footer
>>>
>>>>ever
>>> >>>>built at the
expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2 builder) is
>>> a
>>> >>>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a
larger scale (boat numbers wise).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in
the history of
>>> sailboats.
>>>
>>>>
>>> >>>>'Bigger is better' is
only a state of mind. There are so many days
>>>that
>>> >>>>I
>>> >>>>long
for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the search is
>>>over.
>>> >>>>
>>>
>>>>Brad
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>On
9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>> >>>>>One of the
negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 feet, but
>>>then
>>> >>>>>it
>>> >>>>>wouldn't be as easily
"trailerable". It would be nice if the
>>>
>>>>>company
>>> >>>>>were
>>> >>>>a
>>>
>>>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't
get the
>>> personal
>>>
>>>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of
anymore
>>> >>>>>negatives.
>>> >>>>>But
>>>
>>>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one
outstanding
>>>boat.
>>> >>>>The
>>> >>>>>only reason to buy something else
is size.
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>>>Philip
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>> >>>>> >>
rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly Garner
>>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40
PM
>>> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of
rhodes 22
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>>>Ed K
>>> >>>>>I'm
located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on the
>>> Rhodes
>>> >>>>>but
>>> >>>>>want to be informed of both sides of
the coin before making an
>>>
>>>>>investment.
>>> >>>>>I'm
relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a Rhodes
>>> >>>>>(93
>>>
>>>>>Toyota
>>> >>>>>Previa
Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be some
>>> >>>>>negative
>>>
>>>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>>>Erly
>>> >>>>>-----
Original Message -----
>>> >>>>>From:
"Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>
>>>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45
PM
>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>> >>>>>Erly:
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes
22.
>>> When
>>>
>>>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the
CP 25 to
>>> >>>>>compare. And
>>> >>>>>then you do not have the type
trailerability of the Rhodes 22. As
>>>the
>>> >>>>>owner
>>>
>>>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the
beginning of
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>season
>>> >>>>>and at
the end of the season.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> If you want to trail without a big
truck there just is not
>>> >>>>>currently
>>> >>>>>another design that works like the
Rhodes 22, tis fact.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve
and unrig a Rhodes 22,
>>> >>>>> it
>>> >>>>>is
>>>
>>>>>done all the time by members of this list.
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22?
Look at
>>>this
>>> >>>>>web
>>> >>>>>site:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
>>>
>>>>>
>>> >>>>>Ed K
>>> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>>
>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>>>Erly Garner wrote:
>>>
>>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > Hi:
>>> >>>>> >
>>>
>>>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his
Compac 19.
>>> I'm
>>>
>>>>>just
>>> >>>>>now
>>> >>>>> > getting serious about getting my
own boat and my research
>>> >>>>>indicates
> that
>>> >>>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems
to be a real dream boat. I've got to have
>>>
>>>>>an > easily
>>> >>>>>
> trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake sailing,
>>> >>>>>girlfriend
>>>
>>>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side
overnights on
>>> weekends,
>>>
>>>>>and
>>> >>>>>want
>>> >>>>> > to do limited salt water upon
retiring. Big brother say there
>>> is
>>>no
>>> >>>>>other
>>>
>>>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and
disadvantages
>>> >>>>> > of
>>>a
>>> >>>>> > Rhodes? How
trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to pull)?
>>>
>>>>> >
>>> >>>>> >
Thanks,
>>> >>>>> > Erly
>>> >>>>> >
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