[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. . . )

Thu Sep 28 13:10:28 EDT 2006

Slim,

Don't know anyone from Selma but Condi grew up nearby.  She actually
*knew*the girls who were killed in the church bombing (as opposed to
the serial
liar Clinton who never witnessed such a thing, despite his "pain of
remembering").  Condi did OK.  Slim, I like you but you are out of touch
with reality sometimes.  Come live with me in Memphis for a while and then
"preach".

Today is my birthday, sing "Southern Man" in my honor.  Even though I'm from
the Midwest, everyone knows what racists us 'grit boys' are.

Brad

On 9/28/06, Slim <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Philip,
>
> You and Herb can certainly stand tall and be proud of your accomplishments
> in the face of adversity and challenge.  But when you say:
> >> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
> something sticks in my craw.  Do you remember the civil rights struggle in
> the 60s?  Find a man from Selma, Ala and ask him if he thinks he was given
> ample opportunity then and if it's much better now.
>
> Slim
>
> On 9/28/06 8:22 AM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Herb,
> >    I am sort of white, Mediteranian.  My parents divorced when I was
> 10.  My
> > dad, though kind at heart, was not very responsible and did only what
> the
> > court ordered him to do (never missed a payment) but there were no
> fishing
> > trips, camping or anythnng like that.
> >    My younger brother got his Eagle Scout without any family adult
> > participation and is on schedule to retire at 52 years old (and I mean
> > retire).  He, like I have always worked at least two jobs (unless I was
> on
> > active duty; officers are generally prohibited from moonlighting).  We
> put
> > ourselves through college working the whole time.  I am in the Army
> (again)
> > until I retire, then back to the civilian job.  I started out as a PVT 1
> in
> > the USMC and am now a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army.  None of this
> would have
> > been possible without an education.  An education I paid for working,
> student
> > loans (which I paid back in full) and Vietnam era GI Bill.  My brother
> didn't
> > have the GI bill but still paid for his education himself.
> >    My mother worked her ass off to keep us in clothes, under a roof (her
> > house) and fed while finishing her B.S.
> >    You make your own luck (when opportunity meets preparedness).  Make
> your
> > choices and play it out.
> >    I am now helping my older son through the American Academy of
> Dramatic Arts
> > (he has been offered a part in Pirates of the Carribean III).  My
> younger son
> > is in private school.
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >
> >> Phillip,
> >>
> >> Interesting the diversity of responses Slim's cynical viewpoint
> >> generated.
> >>
> >> My mother never finished high school. We were what most would call
> >> "poor white trash", moving all over the country depending on who her
> >> husband was.
> >>
> >> She finally bought a house about 2 years after my wife and I got
> >> married (12 years ago).
> >>
> >> I did a bit better. Make about 90k a year, and even though i was an
> >> adult before I bought my first house, it was before my kids were grown.
> >>
> >> My first married daughter and her fiancé bought their house 3 months
> >> before their wedding.
> >>
> >> I'm sure though, that it has little to do with working hard to improve
> >> your lot, and that of your children's, and more to do with living in a
> >> white man's world.
> >>
> >> Yeah, sure of it...
> >>
> >>
> >> Herb Parsons
> >>
> >> S/V O'Jure
> >> 1976 O'Day 25
> >> Lake Grapevine, N TX
> >>
> >> S/V Reve de Papa
> >> 1971 Coronado 35
> >> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> >>
> >>>>> 3drecon at comcast.net 9/27/2006 4:09:30 pm >>>
> >> Slim,
> >> Your comments are about as extremist as they come. Life isn't a
> >> level playing field. We all have our hurdles and it is up to each of us
> >> to cross them. The promise of this country isn't equal outcome, rather,
> >> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
> >>
> >> Philip
> >> Son of immigrants who speak foreign languages (and English) but did
> >> alright anyway!
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Slim
> >>
> >>> I'm sorry if anybody is offended by any more measure than I was at
> >> the first
> >>> list that Elle posted. Truly, I'm a moderate, not an extremist, but
> >>> extremist rhetoric from others brings out the beast in me.
> >>>
> >>> That said, white man's guilt or not, you have to admit there are two
> >>
> >>> Americas--one for white men and one for everybody else. Not exactly a
> >> level
> >>> playing field.
> >>>
> >>> Slim
> >>>
> >>> On 9/27/06 3:15 PM, "Brad Haslett" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Slim,
> >>>>
> >>>> I understand the reasoning behind some of your points. That doesn't
> >> mean I
> >>>> agree with reasoning, or the points, I just understand the mindset.
> >> One area
> >>>> where we most vehemently disagree is the white Anglo comment. I
> >> didn't
> >>>> choose to be born white, male, or the son of a frequently
> >> unemployed
> >>>> construction worker. That was fate, or whatever. I don't owe my
> >> success,
> >>>> however modest, to pigmentation or the lack of it. In other words,
> >> if you
> >>>> must suffer from white man's guilt, do so, but don't project it on
> >> me or
> >>>> anyone else.
> >>>>
> >>>> As to the flag, I can wait to sing the National Anthem at the top
> >> of my
> >>>> lungs in Beijing in two years with my daughter singing along and my
> >> wife
> >>>> holding her hand over her heart.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brad
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/27/06, Slim wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, OK, I'd like to add a few too:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you continue to support the
> >> administration
> >>>>> no matter how many lies are crammed down our throats.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you go to church every Sunday and
> >> pray for
> >>>>> the destruction of others in the name of God.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think all languages except
> >> English
> >>>>> should be banned within our borders.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you're a white Anglo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think only TRUE AMERICANS
> >> adhere to
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> list!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/27/06 8:00 AM, "Hank" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Great email, Elle. I'd only suugest one edit. Add "Remove your
> >> hat" to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> part about the National Anthem. That's always been a pet peeve of
> >> mine
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> see folks at a ball game not take off their hat.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/27/06, L. Sailor wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Came across my email this AM. Makes one think about
> >>>>>>> how those in the middle politically are being
> >>>>>>> bullied by the ends of the spectrum.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> elle
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE
> >>>>>>> AMERICAN Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the
> >>>>>>> correct way to LIVE YOUR LIFE ! If you feel the same,
> >>>>>>> pass this on to your True American friends. Ya'll
> >>>>>>> know who ya' are...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to
> >>>>>>> you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under
> >>>>>>> God."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never
> >>>>>>> protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in
> >>>>>>> public places.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say
> >>>>>>> "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head
> >>>>>>> when someone
> >>>>>>> prays.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place
> >>>>>>> your hand over your heart when they play the National
> >>>>>>> Anthem.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam
> >>>>>>> vets with great respect, and alw ays have.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned
> >>>>>>> an American flag.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you
> >>>>>>> believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter
> >>>>>>> who is listening.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your
> >>>>>>> elders and expect your kids to do the same.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last
> >>>>>>> dollar to a friend.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you got this email from me, it is because I believe
> >>>>>>> that you, like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in
> >>>>>>> you to have the same beliefs as those talked about in
> >>>>>>> this email. This is Excellent, No Matter what you
> >>>>>>> deem fit to call it. It is our Country, It is our way
> >>>>>>> of LIFE, and I love it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> God Bless the U S A ! Git 'er done!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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