[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. . . )

Slim salm at mn.rr.com
Thu Sep 28 13:31:26 EDT 2006 

Hey Brad--Happy Birthday!!  I'll hoist one in your name.  As for being in
touch with reality--I've never made such a claim.  It's that I'm
under-employed right now and I've had too much time on my hands and I like
pushing y'all's buttons.  But I've spewed enough of my blather on this topic
for now.  (I can hear the cheers.)

Slim

On 9/28/06 12:10 PM, "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Slim,
> 
> Don't know anyone from Selma but Condi grew up nearby.  She actually
> *knew*the girls who were killed in the church bombing (as opposed to
> the serial
> liar Clinton who never witnessed such a thing, despite his "pain of
> remembering").  Condi did OK.  Slim, I like you but you are out of touch
> with reality sometimes.  Come live with me in Memphis for a while and then
> "preach".
> 
> Today is my birthday, sing "Southern Man" in my honor.  Even though I'm from
> the Midwest, everyone knows what racists us 'grit boys' are.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> On 9/28/06, Slim <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Philip,
>> 
>> You and Herb can certainly stand tall and be proud of your accomplishments
>> in the face of adversity and challenge.  But when you say:
>>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
>> something sticks in my craw.  Do you remember the civil rights struggle in
>> the 60s?  Find a man from Selma, Ala and ask him if he thinks he was given
>> ample opportunity then and if it's much better now.
>> 
>> Slim
>> 
>> On 9/28/06 8:22 AM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Herb,
>>>    I am sort of white, Mediteranian.  My parents divorced when I was
>> 10.  My
>>> dad, though kind at heart, was not very responsible and did only what
>> the
>>> court ordered him to do (never missed a payment) but there were no
>> fishing
>>> trips, camping or anythnng like that.
>>>    My younger brother got his Eagle Scout without any family adult
>>> participation and is on schedule to retire at 52 years old (and I mean
>>> retire).  He, like I have always worked at least two jobs (unless I was
>> on
>>> active duty; officers are generally prohibited from moonlighting).  We
>> put
>>> ourselves through college working the whole time.  I am in the Army
>> (again)
>>> until I retire, then back to the civilian job.  I started out as a PVT 1
>> in
>>> the USMC and am now a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army.  None of this
>> would have
>>> been possible without an education.  An education I paid for working,
>> student
>>> loans (which I paid back in full) and Vietnam era GI Bill.  My brother
>> didn't
>>> have the GI bill but still paid for his education himself.
>>>    My mother worked her ass off to keep us in clothes, under a roof (her
>>> house) and fed while finishing her B.S.
>>>    You make your own luck (when opportunity meets preparedness).  Make
>> your
>>> choices and play it out.
>>>    I am now helping my older son through the American Academy of
>> Dramatic Arts
>>> (he has been offered a part in Pirates of the Carribean III).  My
>> younger son
>>> is in private school.
>>> 
>>> Philip
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> 
>>>> Phillip,
>>>> 
>>>> Interesting the diversity of responses Slim's cynical viewpoint
>>>> generated.
>>>> 
>>>> My mother never finished high school. We were what most would call
>>>> "poor white trash", moving all over the country depending on who her
>>>> husband was.
>>>> 
>>>> She finally bought a house about 2 years after my wife and I got
>>>> married (12 years ago).
>>>> 
>>>> I did a bit better. Make about 90k a year, and even though i was an
>>>> adult before I bought my first house, it was before my kids were grown.
>>>> 
>>>> My first married daughter and her fiancé bought their house 3 months
>>>> before their wedding.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sure though, that it has little to do with working hard to improve
>>>> your lot, and that of your children's, and more to do with living in a
>>>> white man's world.
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, sure of it...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>> 
>>>> S/V O'Jure
>>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>> 
>>>> S/V Reve de Papa
>>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3drecon at comcast.net 9/27/2006 4:09:30 pm >>>
>>>> Slim,
>>>> Your comments are about as extremist as they come. Life isn't a
>>>> level playing field. We all have our hurdles and it is up to each of us
>>>> to cross them. The promise of this country isn't equal outcome, rather,
>>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
>>>> 
>>>> Philip
>>>> Son of immigrants who speak foreign languages (and English) but did
>>>> alright anyway!
>>>> 
>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>> From: Slim
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sorry if anybody is offended by any more measure than I was at
>>>> the first
>>>>> list that Elle posted. Truly, I'm a moderate, not an extremist, but
>>>>> extremist rhetoric from others brings out the beast in me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That said, white man's guilt or not, you have to admit there are two
>>>> 
>>>>> Americas--one for white men and one for everybody else. Not exactly a
>>>> level
>>>>> playing field.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Slim
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/27/06 3:15 PM, "Brad Haslett" wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I understand the reasoning behind some of your points. That doesn't
>>>> mean I
>>>>>> agree with reasoning, or the points, I just understand the mindset.
>>>> One area
>>>>>> where we most vehemently disagree is the white Anglo comment. I
>>>> didn't
>>>>>> choose to be born white, male, or the son of a frequently
>>>> unemployed
>>>>>> construction worker. That was fate, or whatever. I don't owe my
>>>> success,
>>>>>> however modest, to pigmentation or the lack of it. In other words,
>>>> if you
>>>>>> must suffer from white man's guilt, do so, but don't project it on
>>>> me or
>>>>>> anyone else.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As to the flag, I can wait to sing the National Anthem at the top
>>>> of my
>>>>>> lungs in Beijing in two years with my daughter singing along and my
>>>> wife
>>>>>> holding her hand over her heart.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/27/06, Slim wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yeah, OK, I'd like to add a few too:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you continue to support the
>>>> administration
>>>>>>> no matter how many lies are crammed down our throats.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you go to church every Sunday and
>>>> pray for
>>>>>>> the destruction of others in the name of God.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think all languages except
>>>> English
>>>>>>> should be banned within our borders.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you're a white Anglo.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think only TRUE AMERICANS
>>>> adhere to
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> list!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/27/06 8:00 AM, "Hank" wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Great email, Elle. I'd only suugest one edit. Add "Remove your
>>>> hat" to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> part about the National Anthem. That's always been a pet peeve of
>>>> mine
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> see folks at a ball game not take off their hat.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/27/06, L. Sailor wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Came across my email this AM. Makes one think about
>>>>>>>>> how those in the middle politically are being
>>>>>>>>> bullied by the ends of the spectrum.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> elle
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE
>>>>>>>>> AMERICAN Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the
>>>>>>>>> correct way to LIVE YOUR LIFE ! If you feel the same,
>>>>>>>>> pass this on to your True American friends. Ya'll
>>>>>>>>> know who ya' are...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to
>>>>>>>>> you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under
>>>>>>>>> God."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never
>>>>>>>>> protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in
>>>>>>>>> public places.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say
>>>>>>>>> "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head
>>>>>>>>> when someone
>>>>>>>>> prays.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place
>>>>>>>>> your hand over your heart when they play the National
>>>>>>>>> Anthem.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam
>>>>>>>>> vets with great respect, and alw ays have.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned
>>>>>>>>> an American flag.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you
>>>>>>>>> believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter
>>>>>>>>> who is listening.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your
>>>>>>>>> elders and expect your kids to do the same.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last
>>>>>>>>> dollar to a friend.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you got this email from me, it is because I believe
>>>>>>>>> that you, like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in
>>>>>>>>> you to have the same beliefs as those talked about in
>>>>>>>>> this email. This is Excellent, No Matter what you
>>>>>>>>> deem fit to call it. It is our Country, It is our way
>>>>>>>>> of LIFE, and I love it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> God Bless the U S A ! Git 'er done!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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