[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. . . )
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Thu Sep 28 15:26:59 EDT 2006
Slim,
Don't let the bleeding heart conservatives get you down. Their hearts
bleed only for themselves.
Bill Effros
Slim wrote:
> Herb and Brad,
>
> Pah-lease don't hold Condy up as a good example! You're going to have to do
> better than that. Her greatest skill is talking without saying anything.
> As long as you're at it, why not hold up Louis Farrakhan's success? (more
> sarcasm) How about Little Richard? He never got a dime in royalties for
> his songs. I'll give you three guesses why. How about Rubin "Hurricane"
> Carter? He sure got a fair shake.
>
> Slim
>
> On 9/28/06 12:59 PM, "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Why would that "stick in your craw"? That was 40 years ago? Yes, things
>> were bad. But they are MUCH better now. Yes, things still need to get
>> better, but they are MUCH better now. Yes, things were hard back then,
>> but Condy Rice is a product of THAT ERA.
>>
>> BTW, it wasn't "my accomplishments" I was talking about. It was the
>> pattern. I did better than my parents, because I chose to. My daughter
>> did better than I, because she chose to. I hope her kids do better than
>> she did (I also hope she starts HAVING them soon, I've trained my oldest
>> granddaughter [3 years old] to say "Aunt Saundra, I want a WRIGHT cousin
>> [my daughter's last name].)!
>>
>> It can be done. It's up the individual. They can choose to be a victim,
>> or they can choose to persevere.
>>
>>
>>>>> salm at mn.rr.com 9/28/2006 12:03:32 pm >>>
>>>>>
>> Philip,
>>
>> You and Herb can certainly stand tall and be proud of your
>> accomplishments
>> in the face of adversity and challenge. But when you say:
>>
>>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
>>>>
>> something sticks in my craw. Do you remember the civil rights struggle
>> in
>> the 60s? Find a man from Selma, Ala and ask him if he thinks he was
>> given
>> ample opportunity then and if it's much better now.
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On 9/28/06 8:22 AM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Herb,
>>> I am sort of white, Mediteranian. My parents divorced when I was
>>>
>> 10. My
>>
>>> dad, though kind at heart, was not very responsible and did only what
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> court ordered him to do (never missed a payment) but there were no
>>>
>> fishing
>>
>>> trips, camping or anythnng like that.
>>> My younger brother got his Eagle Scout without any family adult
>>> participation and is on schedule to retire at 52 years old (and I
>>>
>> mean
>>
>>> retire). He, like I have always worked at least two jobs (unless I
>>>
>> was on
>>
>>> active duty; officers are generally prohibited from moonlighting).
>>>
>> We put
>>
>>> ourselves through college working the whole time. I am in the Army
>>>
>> (again)
>>
>>> until I retire, then back to the civilian job. I started out as a
>>>
>> PVT 1 in
>>
>>> the USMC and am now a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army. None of this
>>>
>> would have
>>
>>> been possible without an education. An education I paid for working,
>>>
>> student
>>
>>> loans (which I paid back in full) and Vietnam era GI Bill. My
>>>
>> brother didn't
>>
>>> have the GI bill but still paid for his education himself.
>>> My mother worked her ass off to keep us in clothes, under a roof
>>>
>> (her
>>
>>> house) and fed while finishing her B.S.
>>> You make your own luck (when opportunity meets preparedness).
>>>
>> Make your
>>
>>> choices and play it out.
>>> I am now helping my older son through the American Academy of
>>>
>> Dramatic Arts
>>
>>> (he has been offered a part in Pirates of the Carribean III). My
>>>
>> younger son
>>
>>> is in private school.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Phillip,
>>>>
>>>> Interesting the diversity of responses Slim's cynical viewpoint
>>>> generated.
>>>>
>>>> My mother never finished high school. We were what most would call
>>>> "poor white trash", moving all over the country depending on who
>>>>
>> her
>>
>>>> husband was.
>>>>
>>>> She finally bought a house about 2 years after my wife and I got
>>>> married (12 years ago).
>>>>
>>>> I did a bit better. Make about 90k a year, and even though i was an
>>>> adult before I bought my first house, it was before my kids were
>>>>
>> grown.
>>
>>>> My first married daughter and her fiancé bought their house 3
>>>>
>> months
>>
>>>> before their wedding.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure though, that it has little to do with working hard to
>>>>
>> improve
>>
>>>> your lot, and that of your children's, and more to do with living in
>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>> white man's world.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, sure of it...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>
>>>> S/V O'Jure
>>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>>
>>>> S/V Reve de Papa
>>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> 3drecon at comcast.net 9/27/2006 4:09:30 pm >>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> Slim,
>>>> Your comments are about as extremist as they come. Life isn't a
>>>> level playing field. We all have our hurdles and it is up to each of
>>>>
>> us
>>
>>>> to cross them. The promise of this country isn't equal outcome,
>>>>
>> rather,
>>
>>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
>>>>
>>>> Philip
>>>> Son of immigrants who speak foreign languages (and English) but did
>>>> alright anyway!
>>>>
>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>> From: Slim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry if anybody is offended by any more measure than I was at
>>>>>
>>>> the first
>>>>
>>>>> list that Elle posted. Truly, I'm a moderate, not an extremist,
>>>>>
>> but
>>
>>>>> extremist rhetoric from others brings out the beast in me.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, white man's guilt or not, you have to admit there are
>>>>>
>> two
>>
>>>>> Americas--one for white men and one for everybody else. Not exactly
>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>> level
>>>>
>>>>> playing field.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/27/06 3:15 PM, "Brad Haslett" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand the reasoning behind some of your points. That
>>>>>>
>> doesn't
>>
>>>> mean I
>>>>
>>>>>> agree with reasoning, or the points, I just understand the
>>>>>>
>> mindset.
>>
>>>> One area
>>>>
>>>>>> where we most vehemently disagree is the white Anglo comment. I
>>>>>>
>>>> didn't
>>>>
>>>>>> choose to be born white, male, or the son of a frequently
>>>>>>
>>>> unemployed
>>>>
>>>>>> construction worker. That was fate, or whatever. I don't owe my
>>>>>>
>>>> success,
>>>>
>>>>>> however modest, to pigmentation or the lack of it. In other
>>>>>>
>> words,
>>
>>>> if you
>>>>
>>>>>> must suffer from white man's guilt, do so, but don't project it
>>>>>>
>> on
>>
>>>> me or
>>>>
>>>>>> anyone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the flag, I can wait to sing the National Anthem at the top
>>>>>>
>>>> of my
>>>>
>>>>>> lungs in Beijing in two years with my daughter singing along and
>>>>>>
>> my
>>
>>>> wife
>>>>
>>>>>> holding her hand over her heart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/27/06, Slim wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, OK, I'd like to add a few too:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you continue to support the
>>>>>>>
>>>> administration
>>>>
>>>>>>> no matter how many lies are crammed down our throats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you go to church every Sunday
>>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> pray for
>>>>
>>>>>>> the destruction of others in the name of God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think all languages except
>>>>>>>
>>>> English
>>>>
>>>>>>> should be banned within our borders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you're a white Anglo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think only TRUE AMERICANS
>>>>>>>
>>>> adhere to
>>>>
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> list!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/27/06 8:00 AM, "Hank" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great email, Elle. I'd only suugest one edit. Add "Remove your
>>>>>>>>
>>>> hat" to
>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> part about the National Anthem. That's always been a pet peeve
>>>>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>> mine
>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see folks at a ball game not take off their hat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/27/06, L. Sailor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Came across my email this AM. Makes one think about
>>>>>>>>> how those in the middle politically are being
>>>>>>>>> bullied by the ends of the spectrum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> elle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE
>>>>>>>>> AMERICAN Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the
>>>>>>>>> correct way to LIVE YOUR LIFE ! If you feel the same,
>>>>>>>>> pass this on to your True American friends. Ya'll
>>>>>>>>> know who ya' are...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to
>>>>>>>>> you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under
>>>>>>>>> God."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never
>>>>>>>>> protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in
>>>>>>>>> public places.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say
>>>>>>>>> "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head
>>>>>>>>> when someone
>>>>>>>>> prays.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place
>>>>>>>>> your hand over your heart when they play the National
>>>>>>>>> Anthem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam
>>>>>>>>> vets with great respect, and alw ays have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned
>>>>>>>>> an American flag.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you
>>>>>>>>> believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter
>>>>>>>>> who is listening.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your
>>>>>>>>> elders and expect your kids to do the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last
>>>>>>>>> dollar to a friend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you got this email from me, it is because I believe
>>>>>>>>> that you, like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in
>>>>>>>>> you to have the same beliefs as those talked about in
>>>>>>>>> this email. This is Excellent, No Matter what you
>>>>>>>>> deem fit to call it. It is our Country, It is our way
>>>>>>>>> of LIFE, and I love it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> God Bless the U S A ! Git 'er done!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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