[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. . . )

Thu Sep 28 14:37:50 EDT 2006

Bill,

You are correct!  Charity starts at home.

Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me!

Brad

On 9/28/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
> Slim,
>
> Don't let the bleeding heart conservatives get you down.  Their hearts
> bleed only for themselves.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> Slim wrote:
> > Herb and Brad,
> >
> > Pah-lease don't hold Condy up as a good example!  You're going to have
> to do
> > better than that.  Her greatest skill is talking without saying
> anything.
> > As long as you're at it, why not hold up Louis Farrakhan's
> success?  (more
> > sarcasm)  How about Little Richard?  He never got a dime in royalties
> for
> > his songs.  I'll give you three guesses why.  How about Rubin
> "Hurricane"
> > Carter?  He sure got a fair shake.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On 9/28/06 12:59 PM, "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Why would that "stick in your craw"? That was 40 years ago? Yes, things
> >> were bad. But they are MUCH better now. Yes, things still need to get
> >> better, but they are MUCH better now. Yes, things were hard back then,
> >> but Condy Rice is a product of THAT ERA.
> >>
> >> BTW, it wasn't "my accomplishments" I was talking about. It was the
> >> pattern. I did better than my parents, because I chose to. My daughter
> >> did better than I, because she chose to. I hope her kids do better than
> >> she did (I also hope she starts HAVING them soon, I've trained my
> oldest
> >> granddaughter [3 years old] to say "Aunt Saundra, I want a WRIGHT
> cousin
> >> [my daughter's last name].)!
> >>
> >> It can be done. It's up the individual. They can choose to be a victim,
> >> or they can choose to persevere.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> salm at mn.rr.com 9/28/2006 12:03:32 pm >>>
> >>>>>
> >> Philip,
> >>
> >> You and Herb can certainly stand tall and be proud of your
> >> accomplishments
> >> in the face of adversity and challenge.  But when you say:
> >>
> >>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
> >>>>
> >> something sticks in my craw.  Do you remember the civil rights struggle
> >> in
> >> the 60s?  Find a man from Selma, Ala and ask him if he thinks he was
> >> given
> >> ample opportunity then and if it's much better now.
> >>
> >> Slim
> >>
> >> On 9/28/06 8:22 AM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Herb,
> >>>    I am sort of white, Mediteranian.  My parents divorced when I was
> >>>
> >> 10.  My
> >>
> >>> dad, though kind at heart, was not very responsible and did only what
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> court ordered him to do (never missed a payment) but there were no
> >>>
> >> fishing
> >>
> >>> trips, camping or anythnng like that.
> >>>    My younger brother got his Eagle Scout without any family adult
> >>> participation and is on schedule to retire at 52 years old (and I
> >>>
> >> mean
> >>
> >>> retire).  He, like I have always worked at least two jobs (unless I
> >>>
> >> was on
> >>
> >>> active duty; officers are generally prohibited from moonlighting).
> >>>
> >> We put
> >>
> >>> ourselves through college working the whole time.  I am in the Army
> >>>
> >> (again)
> >>
> >>> until I retire, then back to the civilian job.  I started out as a
> >>>
> >> PVT 1 in
> >>
> >>> the USMC and am now a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army.  None of this
> >>>
> >> would have
> >>
> >>> been possible without an education.  An education I paid for working,
> >>>
> >> student
> >>
> >>> loans (which I paid back in full) and Vietnam era GI Bill.  My
> >>>
> >> brother didn't
> >>
> >>> have the GI bill but still paid for his education himself.
> >>>    My mother worked her ass off to keep us in clothes, under a roof
> >>>
> >> (her
> >>
> >>> house) and fed while finishing her B.S.
> >>>    You make your own luck (when opportunity meets preparedness).
> >>>
> >> Make your
> >>
> >>> choices and play it out.
> >>>    I am now helping my older son through the American Academy of
> >>>
> >> Dramatic Arts
> >>
> >>> (he has been offered a part in Pirates of the Carribean III).  My
> >>>
> >> younger son
> >>
> >>> is in private school.
> >>>
> >>> Philip
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Phillip,
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting the diversity of responses Slim's cynical viewpoint
> >>>> generated.
> >>>>
> >>>> My mother never finished high school. We were what most would call
> >>>> "poor white trash", moving all over the country depending on who
> >>>>
> >> her
> >>
> >>>> husband was.
> >>>>
> >>>> She finally bought a house about 2 years after my wife and I got
> >>>> married (12 years ago).
> >>>>
> >>>> I did a bit better. Make about 90k a year, and even though i was an
> >>>> adult before I bought my first house, it was before my kids were
> >>>>
> >> grown.
> >>
> >>>> My first married daughter and her fiancé bought their house 3
> >>>>
> >> months
> >>
> >>>> before their wedding.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure though, that it has little to do with working hard to
> >>>>
> >> improve
> >>
> >>>> your lot, and that of your children's, and more to do with living in
> >>>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>>> white man's world.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, sure of it...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Herb Parsons
> >>>>
> >>>> S/V O'Jure
> >>>> 1976 O'Day 25
> >>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
> >>>>
> >>>> S/V Reve de Papa
> >>>> 1971 Coronado 35
> >>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> 3drecon at comcast.net 9/27/2006 4:09:30 pm >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> Slim,
> >>>> Your comments are about as extremist as they come. Life isn't a
> >>>> level playing field. We all have our hurdles and it is up to each of
> >>>>
> >> us
> >>
> >>>> to cross them. The promise of this country isn't equal outcome,
> >>>>
> >> rather,
> >>
> >>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
> >>>>
> >>>> Philip
> >>>> Son of immigrants who speak foreign languages (and English) but did
> >>>> alright anyway!
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>>> From: Slim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm sorry if anybody is offended by any more measure than I was at
> >>>>>
> >>>> the first
> >>>>
> >>>>> list that Elle posted. Truly, I'm a moderate, not an extremist,
> >>>>>
> >> but
> >>
> >>>>> extremist rhetoric from others brings out the beast in me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That said, white man's guilt or not, you have to admit there are
> >>>>>
> >> two
> >>
> >>>>> Americas--one for white men and one for everybody else. Not exactly
> >>>>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>>> level
> >>>>
> >>>>> playing field.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Slim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/27/06 3:15 PM, "Brad Haslett" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Slim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I understand the reasoning behind some of your points. That
> >>>>>>
> >> doesn't
> >>
> >>>> mean I
> >>>>
> >>>>>> agree with reasoning, or the points, I just understand the
> >>>>>>
> >> mindset.
> >>
> >>>> One area
> >>>>
> >>>>>> where we most vehemently disagree is the white Anglo comment. I
> >>>>>>
> >>>> didn't
> >>>>
> >>>>>> choose to be born white, male, or the son of a frequently
> >>>>>>
> >>>> unemployed
> >>>>
> >>>>>> construction worker. That was fate, or whatever. I don't owe my
> >>>>>>
> >>>> success,
> >>>>
> >>>>>> however modest, to pigmentation or the lack of it. In other
> >>>>>>
> >> words,
> >>
> >>>> if you
> >>>>
> >>>>>> must suffer from white man's guilt, do so, but don't project it
> >>>>>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>>> me or
> >>>>
> >>>>>> anyone else.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As to the flag, I can wait to sing the National Anthem at the top
> >>>>>>
> >>>> of my
> >>>>
> >>>>>> lungs in Beijing in two years with my daughter singing along and
> >>>>>>
> >> my
> >>
> >>>> wife
> >>>>
> >>>>>> holding her hand over her heart.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/27/06, Slim wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yeah, OK, I'd like to add a few too:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you continue to support the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> administration
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> no matter how many lies are crammed down our throats.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you go to church every Sunday
> >>>>>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>> pray for
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> the destruction of others in the name of God.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think all languages except
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> English
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> should be banned within our borders.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you're a white Anglo.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think only TRUE AMERICANS
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> adhere to
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>> list!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 9/27/06 8:00 AM, "Hank" wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Great email, Elle. I'd only suugest one edit. Add "Remove your
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> hat" to
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> part about the National Anthem. That's always been a pet peeve
> >>>>>>>>
> >> of
> >>
> >>>> mine
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> see folks at a ball game not take off their hat.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 9/27/06, L. Sailor wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Came across my email this AM. Makes one think about
> >>>>>>>>> how those in the middle politically are being
> >>>>>>>>> bullied by the ends of the spectrum.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> elle
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE
> >>>>>>>>> AMERICAN Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the
> >>>>>>>>> correct way to LIVE YOUR LIFE ! If you feel the same,
> >>>>>>>>> pass this on to your True American friends. Ya'll
> >>>>>>>>> know who ya' are...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to
> >>>>>>>>> you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under
> >>>>>>>>> God."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never
> >>>>>>>>> protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in
> >>>>>>>>> public places.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say
> >>>>>>>>> "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head
> >>>>>>>>> when someone
> >>>>>>>>> prays.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place
> >>>>>>>>> your hand over your heart when they play the National
> >>>>>>>>> Anthem.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam
> >>>>>>>>> vets with great respect, and alw ays have.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned
> >>>>>>>>> an American flag.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you
> >>>>>>>>> believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter
> >>>>>>>>> who is listening.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your
> >>>>>>>>> elders and expect your kids to do the same.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last
> >>>>>>>>> dollar to a friend.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you got this email from me, it is because I believe
> >>>>>>>>> that you, like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in
> >>>>>>>>> you to have the same beliefs as those talked about in
> >>>>>>>>> this email. This is Excellent, No Matter what you
> >>>>>>>>> deem fit to call it. It is our Country, It is our way
> >>>>>>>>> of LIFE, and I love it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> God Bless the U S A ! Git 'er done!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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