[Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers

[Bill Effros]

Sure.

But I've got even less time now than I did when we last discussed this.

Bill Effros

Peter Thorn wrote:
> Dave,
>
> The basic assumption of PHRF is that all boats are sailed by expert skippers
> and that all boats are optimized for racing.  Think about that and let it
> sink in for just a moment...
>
> Local committees are tasked with the job of re-rating boats to adjust them
> for "local conditions", usually based upon the protests, requests or
> complaints of the losers,  to make everyone as happy as possible and to
> generate a general feeling that everyone has an equal chance to win on any
> given day.  It's a racing system that has more to do with political
> correctness and allowing all to participate than it does with determining
> who the best skipper is.  So it's possible that Roger P sailing in Arkansas
> could get down-rated to 240 and Bob Dilk could be rated 276 by NC PHRF and
> both ratings could be correct, although both had similar standard mast R22
> Continentals.  So if the boats aren't really equal and the skippers also
> aren't really both equally expert, it's got to be the rating that's going to
> give.  It's winning that kills you in PHRF.
>
> One-Design is a much better system, but, in most cases, it's more difficult
> to get everyone to show up with the same kind of boat.  Is anyone interested
> is starting up the Rhodes 22 one-design class association at US Sailing?
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> It seems there is not a lot of interest from the disparate group of R22
> sailors on this board in all getting together in one spot at the same time.
> Why not let's have a bunch of regional meet ups?
>
> Elle could host the Lower Cheaspeake, Mary Lou and Fred could host the Upper
> Cheaspeake,  I would be happy to organize a trip from Blackbeard Sailing
> Club in New Bern to either Cape Lookout or Ocracoke, Kentucky Lake etc,
> Rummy's lake etc, etc. etc.   Each could advertize a date and see who comes.
>
> Is anyone interested in this idea?
>
> PT
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <DCLewis1 at aol.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More on GPS
>
>
>   
>> Wally,
>>
>> Re PHRF, I’m sure you’re right. To my knowledge you and PT are the boards
>> racing resources.
>>
>> I am confused about at least one thing, however.  Your post, and your
>>     
> recent
>   
>> posts, re PHRF indicated it was necessary to declare what sails you were
>> using in getting a PHRF - for example you might declare a spinnaker and
>>     
> that
>   
>> factor would go into your PHRF.  However, if you search the web there  are
>>     
> whole
>   
>> classes of boats with announced PHRFs, and I’ve found at least  one site
>>     
> that
>   
>> will let you compute a PHRF if you know the dimensions of your  boat and
>>     
> it’s
>   
>> sail characteristics (I, J) - I assume they are using the standard  sail
>>     
> plan
>   
>> for each boat when they make that calculation but I noted there was no
>> allowance for spinnakers, asymmetrical spinnakers, etc.  So is PHRF
>>     
> something a
>   
>> committee awards you for a specific race based on what specific  sails you
>> declare you will be use for that race, or is it a number that is  derived
>>     
> from the
>   
>> basic sail plan for the boat and can be cited, with caution,  for the
>>     
> entire
>   
>> class of boats?  Or are there different types of PHRFs;  for example, a
>>     
> club
>   
>> PHRF and a class PHRF?
>>
>> A lot of info on the web gives generic PHRFs - for example there might  be
>>     
> a
>   
>> PHRF for a Ranger 23 or O'Day 19 - with no reference to specific  sails.
>>     
> Are
>   
>> they all wrong?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
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