[Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions

[Michael D. Weisner]

Stan,

To quote from my earlier post:
"Lou had printed instructions that appeared to have been downloaded from the
list.  I believe that they had originally been provided by Slim:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-April/022314.html "

These instructions do not mention "hoist cross over" and required 
substantial attention to lateral motion when raising the stock Rhodes, 
non-IMF mast.  Would you please post new instructions (and diagrams?) of the 
hoist cross over system.

"no one ALIVE TODAY has ever reported a failure"?  Does this mean what it 
seems to imply? :~))

Mike
s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
       Nissequogue River, NY

From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com> Friday, August 31, 2007 9:25 AM
> the correct use of the extension chains with the hoist cross over system
> does not require any controlling of shrouds when you raise or lower a 
> Rhodes
> mast.   just keep the area clear, close your eyes and turn the winch
> handle - no one alive today has ever reported a failure.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions
>
>
>> Art,
>>
>> That's exactly what I was doing as we raised the mast using the crane.
>> Lou's boat was on land (blocks & stands) so all was very still and there
>> was
>> no problem, really.  I had never used the crane before and was simply
>> concerned about the lateral movement of the mast.  As you indicate, the
>> only
>> lateral control you have is by applying pressure to the shrouds.
>>
>> I still feel much more "in control" when raising by hand.  With 2 people
>> on
>> the foredeck, raising the mast from the bow, I have never worried about
>> damage or loss, on the trailer or on water.  When I first started sailing
>> my
>> R22 in '81, we trailered almost daily, setting up and launching in about
>> 30
>> minutes with a 4 person team.  Now, we perform this action once or twice 
>> a
>> season with a 2 person team, as we are moored in the river and not
>> trailer-sailors any longer.  As with most things, age has decreased the
>> frequency but not necessarily the ability.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>       Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net> Thursday, August 
>> 30,
>> 2007 10:47 PM
>>> Mike,
>>> Given that there is some sway in the mast as it is raised or lowered,
>>> especially at the 45 degree point, the midway point, you can apply some
>>> control through the shrouds by applying differential pressure to the
>>> wires.  You have to be judicial, but if you apply pressure, in any
>>> direction, on a shroud, the mast will move in that same direction.  I'd
>>> practice this while on the trailer and see the effect.
>>> Do you step the mast from the bow while on the water?  Maybe I mis-read.
>>> Art
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>>Sent: Aug 30, 2007 1:18 PM
>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions
>>>>
>>>>Rummy,
>>>>
>>>>Lou had printed instructions that appeared to have been downloaded from
>>>>the
>>>>list.  I believe that they had originally been provided by Slim:
>>>>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-April/022314.html
>>>>We followed them and as the mast is raised, I fail to see what prevents
>>>>sideways movement once the mast leaves the crutch.  I have stepped my
>>>>mast
>>>>many times while on the water and am very concerned about lateral
>>>>movement.
>>>>I have always felt comfortable while raising the mast from the bow since
>>>>I
>>>>maintained strong contact with the mast at all times.  When raising the
>>>>mast
>>>>from the stern using the crane system, the mast was out of reach for 
>>>>much
>>>>of
>>>>the time, too high to reach from the cockpit and to far astern to safely
>>>>reach from the deck while operating the crane.  None of the shrouds were
>>>>really tight enough to provide lateral restraint until it was nearly
>>>>vertical and then, it was only the uppers.  When raised the old way, the
>>>>uppers and forward lowers are never removed, providing immediate support
>>>>of
>>>>the mast when vertical (except for falling forward until the aft lowers
>>>>are
>>>>connected.)  What did we do wrong?
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>>From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> The crane system, if used properly will not allow the mast to swing
>>>>> sideways. I believe you missed something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>
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