[Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions

[Steven Alm]

Mike,

I said before, and Stan said it too.  Go back to the instructions in the
link and look at step # 8.  It's the extensions on the forward lowers that
keep the mast from swating.

Slim

On 8/31/07, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> Stan,
>
> To quote from my earlier post:
> "Lou had printed instructions that appeared to have been downloaded from
> the
> list.  I believe that they had originally been provided by Slim:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-April/022314.html "
>
> These instructions do not mention "hoist cross over" and required
> substantial attention to lateral motion when raising the stock Rhodes,
> non-IMF mast.  Would you please post new instructions (and diagrams?) of
> the
> hoist cross over system.
>
> "no one ALIVE TODAY has ever reported a failure"?  Does this mean what it
> seems to imply? :~))
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>        Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com> Friday, August 31, 2007 9:25 AM
> > the correct use of the extension chains with the hoist cross over system
> > does not require any controlling of shrouds when you raise or lower a
> > Rhodes
> > mast.   just keep the area clear, close your eyes and turn the winch
> > handle - no one alive today has ever reported a failure.
> >
> > ss
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions
> >
> >
> >> Art,
> >>
> >> That's exactly what I was doing as we raised the mast using the crane.
> >> Lou's boat was on land (blocks & stands) so all was very still and
> there
> >> was
> >> no problem, really.  I had never used the crane before and was simply
> >> concerned about the lateral movement of the mast.  As you indicate, the
> >> only
> >> lateral control you have is by applying pressure to the shrouds.
> >>
> >> I still feel much more "in control" when raising by hand.  With 2
> people
> >> on
> >> the foredeck, raising the mast from the bow, I have never worried about
> >> damage or loss, on the trailer or on water.  When I first started
> sailing
> >> my
> >> R22 in '81, we trailered almost daily, setting up and launching in
> about
> >> 30
> >> minutes with a 4 person team.  Now, we perform this action once or
> twice
> >> a
> >> season with a 2 person team, as we are moored in the river and not
> >> trailer-sailors any longer.  As with most things, age has decreased the
> >> frequency but not necessarily the ability.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> >>       Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net> Thursday, August
> >> 30,
> >> 2007 10:47 PM
> >>> Mike,
> >>> Given that there is some sway in the mast as it is raised or lowered,
> >>> especially at the 45 degree point, the midway point, you can apply
> some
> >>> control through the shrouds by applying differential pressure to the
> >>> wires.  You have to be judicial, but if you apply pressure, in any
> >>> direction, on a shroud, the mast will move in that same
> direction.  I'd
> >>> practice this while on the trailer and see the effect.
> >>> Do you step the mast from the bow while on the water?  Maybe I
> mis-read.
> >>> Art
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>Sent: Aug 30, 2007 1:18 PM
> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane Questions
> >>>>
> >>>>Rummy,
> >>>>
> >>>>Lou had printed instructions that appeared to have been downloaded
> from
> >>>>the
> >>>>list.  I believe that they had originally been provided by Slim:
> >>>>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-April/022314.html
> >>>>We followed them and as the mast is raised, I fail to see what
> prevents
> >>>>sideways movement once the mast leaves the crutch.  I have stepped my
> >>>>mast
> >>>>many times while on the water and am very concerned about lateral
> >>>>movement.
> >>>>I have always felt comfortable while raising the mast from the bow
> since
> >>>>I
> >>>>maintained strong contact with the mast at all times.  When raising
> the
> >>>>mast
> >>>>from the stern using the crane system, the mast was out of reach for
> >>>>much
> >>>>of
> >>>>the time, too high to reach from the cockpit and to far astern to
> safely
> >>>>reach from the deck while operating the crane.  None of the shrouds
> were
> >>>>really tight enough to provide lateral restraint until it was nearly
> >>>>vertical and then, it was only the uppers.  When raised the old way,
> the
> >>>>uppers and forward lowers are never removed, providing immediate
> support
> >>>>of
> >>>>the mast when vertical (except for falling forward until the aft
> lowers
> >>>>are
> >>>>connected.)  What did we do wrong?
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>>>Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>
> >>>>From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM
> >>>>> Mike,
> >>>>> The crane system, if used properly will not allow the mast to swing
> >>>>> sideways. I believe you missed something.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rummy
> >>>>>
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