Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question

TN Rhodey tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 9 13:03:30 EST 2007 

PT,

Dacron and Mylar ....I didn't know they could do that. I am going with a 155 
so i will wait fo ryour review.

Wally


>From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:01:38 -0500
>
>Wally,
>
>Of course I am planning to share the info about my new Cruising Direct sail
>from with da list.  Dan Calore is working on a graphic image showing the
>high clew and the "molds" they use to design the sail shape.  I'll pass it
>on when I get it.
>
>Basically, a light air sail needs to be lightweight.  Raven has a 20+ y/o
>Lee 175 that's 5-6oz and when the wind is really light it just won't fill 
>--
>but it has hard a very, very long useful life at that cloth weight.
>Granted, I probably race in conditions when most would furl and motor, but
>with the right sail you can keep going.  The new sail is Dacron on one side
>and Mylar on the other.  It's 3.2 oz with a white leech/foot "coating" for
>UV so it can be left on the CDI.  Dan says the sail is designed to a little
>over 30 knots (before it blows apart) and should last about 7 years the way
>I sail.  By contrast, their Dacron sail would be about $200 cheaper and
>weigh about 4.7 oz.  But it won't hold a great shape for as long as the
>laminated cloth sail will, so I think the laminate actually gives longer
>"great sail shape" life.
>
>The standard GBI issue Doyle 175 is a pretty good compromise for those with
>only one headsail.  It's at best in 6-10, needs to be furled much over that
>and, as mentioned above, my heavy old Lee 175 won't hold shape in very 
>light
>air.   In PHRF racing it would also accrue a 9 point rating penalty and I
>just didn't want to go there...
>
>The sail is built to measurements I took off  Raven's and her CDI.
>Fortunately, Raven came with a max length CDI, only short by about 5" from
>the mast crane.
>
>As I recall:
>
>     38-40% maximum draft forward
>     enough twist to clear the spreaders, not much more
>     high clew - about 2' ( I like to see to leeward)
>     max luff (CDI - 1")
>     leech is slight concave
>     foot is roached
>     optimized to set full at rear of track, car moves forward as furled
>     max LP = 155 on the money
>
>I'll let you know more later.
>
>PT
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:42 AM
>Subject: RE: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
>
>
> > Doug - Both of the sails that came with my boat had rope luff. I haven't
> > used a foam luff so I can't compare but the rope luff worked great when
> > furled.
> >
> > PT - I am curious about your new sail. I am ordering a sail this spring
>and
> > half been considering all of the options. I have held off long
>enough...well
> > actually too long. I am leaning towards dacron because I will leave the
>sail
> > on the boat. I am guessing yours is a race sail; is there a sacrificial
> > strip? Did you bother with window?  My current quantum sail is dacron 
>and
> > the sacrifical strip is a heavier grade dacron. It holds shape much 
>better
> > than some of the heavier cloths used. The dacron lasted 6 years and is
>just
> > now showiing signs of wear. I am thinging of ordering the same...did you
> > provide actual measurements or did they have something "on file"? I know
>you
> > will update us when you recieve....oh yeah how long did they say it 
>would
> > take?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: "Rhodes 22 List Members" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >CC: Dan Calore <dan at direct.northsails.com>
> > >Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:11:37 -0500
> > >
> > >Doug,
> > >
> > >I really don't know, but passed your note to Dan Calore, who just sold 
>me
>a
> > >PHRF optimized semi-mylar 3.2 oz 155, and got Dan's response below.
> > >
> > >Cruising Direct is North's discount high volume outlet.  Sold on the 
>web
>in
> > >Rhode Island, designed in San Diego (by North guys) and manufactured in
>Sri
> > >Lanka.  Globalization has hit sails!  The price was excellent, but I
> > >haven't
> > >received the sail yet.  They were responsive to my concerns for a max
>luff
> > >and high clew.  They guaranteed critical measurements (luff and LP) to
> > >reasonable tolerance, +/- 2" everywhere else.  We'll see...
> > >
> > >Good luck with your new sail.
> > >
> > >PT
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Dan Calore" <dan at direct.northsails.com>
> > >To: "'Peter Thorn'" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:53 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > >
> > >
> > > > Peter,
> > > >    We actually use the RopeLuff pad as well.   As far as cost goes 
>the
> > > > ropeluff is cost more money to manufacture and install then a foam
>luff.
> > > > North Sails is using the Ropeluff pads on almost every sail, because
> > >they
> > > > maintain their shape over the life of the sail better then a foam
>luff,
> > >they
> > > > do not absorb water  or mildew as quickly as a foam luff either.
> > >Another
> > > > advantage is that you can remove the rope from the luff pocket and
> > >reinstall
> > > > it relatively easily if you so desire.   Having sailed with both the
> > >foam
> > > > and rope I think that the ropeluff gives you better shape when
>partially
> > > > furled and would go with that on my own boat.
> > > >
> > > > Peter I hope this helps, if you need more detail please let me know.
> > > >
> > > > Dan Calore
> > > > Cruising Direct Sails
> > > > North Sails
> > > > 1-888-424-7328
> > > > 1-401-366-6012
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Peter Thorn [mailto:pthorn at nc.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:43 PM
> > > > To: Dan Calore
> > > > Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > >
> > > > Dan,
> > > >
> > > > This came in on the Rhodes 22 list-serve today.  I would appreciate
>your
> > > > comments.  As I recall you use foam luffs, right?
> > > >
> > > > PT
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)" <douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com>
> > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:27 PM
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi everybody,
> > > >
> > > > Do any of you have experience with a rope luff pad?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just received my new 150% Genoa, and had specified a seafoam luff
>pad.
> > > > However, it was delivered from Doyle with a rope luff pad.  I know
>that
> > > > North is touting the rope luff as the next great thing (doesn't
> > > > compress, doesn't absorb water, etc.).  But it seems to me that its
> > > > greatest advantage is that it is easy to install, and that is 
>probably
> > > > why Doyle is going with it too.  Stan said that all of their larger
> > > > sails still come with the foam pad, so he doesn't know what is going
>on.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Before I send it back to Doyle and tell them to send me what I asked
> > > > for, I'd like some opinions on whether or not I should be glad I 
>have
> > > > the rope luff pad instead of the foam pad. My web searches haven't
> > > > turned up anything but the company propaganda, so I really don't 
>have
>an
> > > > objective opinion.  I won't have the opportunity to try it until 
>May,
> > > > and my guess is that will be a little late to tell them to do it
>right!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --Doug Gardner
> > > >
> > > > s/v Fretnaught
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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