[Rhodes22-list] Cruising Direct laminate sail

Peter Thorn pthorn at nc.rr.com
Fri Feb 9 14:27:12 EST 2007 

Wally,

I just got word my new sail will ship in about a week and a half.  That's
way before when I'll need it (a good thing) and it will have taken only
about 30 days from order to delivery.  You should allow plenty of time to
measure the boat (measure thrice, order once, etc.) and of course the mast
must be up.

NC-PHRF rated Raven 276 with a 155 in the jib and main (no spinnakers)
fleet.  I can't wait to get on the starting line...

Do you race Catalina 22s and San Juan 21s in your R22 out there?

PT



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question


> PT,
>
> Dacron and Mylar ....I didn't know they could do that. I am going with a
155
> so i will wait fo ryour review.
>
> Wally
>
>
> >From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:01:38 -0500
> >
> >Wally,
> >
> >Of course I am planning to share the info about my new Cruising Direct
sail
> >from with da list.  Dan Calore is working on a graphic image showing the
> >high clew and the "molds" they use to design the sail shape.  I'll pass
it
> >on when I get it.
> >
> >Basically, a light air sail needs to be lightweight.  Raven has a 20+ y/o
> >Lee 175 that's 5-6oz and when the wind is really light it just won't fill
> >--
> >but it has hard a very, very long useful life at that cloth weight.
> >Granted, I probably race in conditions when most would furl and motor,
but
> >with the right sail you can keep going.  The new sail is Dacron on one
side
> >and Mylar on the other.  It's 3.2 oz with a white leech/foot "coating"
for
> >UV so it can be left on the CDI.  Dan says the sail is designed to a
little
> >over 30 knots (before it blows apart) and should last about 7 years the
way
> >I sail.  By contrast, their Dacron sail would be about $200 cheaper and
> >weigh about 4.7 oz.  But it won't hold a great shape for as long as the
> >laminated cloth sail will, so I think the laminate actually gives longer
> >"great sail shape" life.
> >
> >The standard GBI issue Doyle 175 is a pretty good compromise for those
with
> >only one headsail.  It's at best in 6-10, needs to be furled much over
that
> >and, as mentioned above, my heavy old Lee 175 won't hold shape in very
> >light
> >air.   In PHRF racing it would also accrue a 9 point rating penalty and I
> >just didn't want to go there...
> >
> >The sail is built to measurements I took off  Raven's and her CDI.
> >Fortunately, Raven came with a max length CDI, only short by about 5"
from
> >the mast crane.
> >
> >As I recall:
> >
> >     38-40% maximum draft forward
> >     enough twist to clear the spreaders, not much more
> >     high clew - about 2' ( I like to see to leeward)
> >     max luff (CDI - 1")
> >     leech is slight concave
> >     foot is roached
> >     optimized to set full at rear of track, car moves forward as furled
> >     max LP = 155 on the money
> >
> >I'll let you know more later.
> >
> >PT
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:42 AM
> >Subject: RE: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> >
> >
> > > Doug - Both of the sails that came with my boat had rope luff. I
haven't
> > > used a foam luff so I can't compare but the rope luff worked great
when
> > > furled.
> > >
> > > PT - I am curious about your new sail. I am ordering a sail this
spring
> >and
> > > half been considering all of the options. I have held off long
> >enough...well
> > > actually too long. I am leaning towards dacron because I will leave
the
> >sail
> > > on the boat. I am guessing yours is a race sail; is there a
sacrificial
> > > strip? Did you bother with window?  My current quantum sail is dacron
> >and
> > > the sacrifical strip is a heavier grade dacron. It holds shape much
> >better
> > > than some of the heavier cloths used. The dacron lasted 6 years and is
> >just
> > > now showiing signs of wear. I am thinging of ordering the same...did
you
> > > provide actual measurements or did they have something "on file"? I
know
> >you
> > > will update us when you recieve....oh yeah how long did they say it
> >would
> > > take?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: "Rhodes 22 List Members" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >CC: Dan Calore <dan at direct.northsails.com>
> > > >Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:11:37 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Doug,
> > > >
> > > >I really don't know, but passed your note to Dan Calore, who just
sold
> >me
> >a
> > > >PHRF optimized semi-mylar 3.2 oz 155, and got Dan's response below.
> > > >
> > > >Cruising Direct is North's discount high volume outlet.  Sold on the
> >web
> >in
> > > >Rhode Island, designed in San Diego (by North guys) and manufactured
in
> >Sri
> > > >Lanka.  Globalization has hit sails!  The price was excellent, but I
> > > >haven't
> > > >received the sail yet.  They were responsive to my concerns for a max
> >luff
> > > >and high clew.  They guaranteed critical measurements (luff and LP)
to
> > > >reasonable tolerance, +/- 2" everywhere else.  We'll see...
> > > >
> > > >Good luck with your new sail.
> > > >
> > > >PT
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Dan Calore" <dan at direct.northsails.com>
> > > >To: "'Peter Thorn'" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:53 PM
> > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Peter,
> > > > >    We actually use the RopeLuff pad as well.   As far as cost goes
> >the
> > > > > ropeluff is cost more money to manufacture and install then a foam
> >luff.
> > > > > North Sails is using the Ropeluff pads on almost every sail,
because
> > > >they
> > > > > maintain their shape over the life of the sail better then a foam
> >luff,
> > > >they
> > > > > do not absorb water  or mildew as quickly as a foam luff either.
> > > >Another
> > > > > advantage is that you can remove the rope from the luff pocket and
> > > >reinstall
> > > > > it relatively easily if you so desire.   Having sailed with both
the
> > > >foam
> > > > > and rope I think that the ropeluff gives you better shape when
> >partially
> > > > > furled and would go with that on my own boat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter I hope this helps, if you need more detail please let me
know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan Calore
> > > > > Cruising Direct Sails
> > > > > North Sails
> > > > > 1-888-424-7328
> > > > > 1-401-366-6012
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Peter Thorn [mailto:pthorn at nc.rr.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:43 PM
> > > > > To: Dan Calore
> > > > > Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan,
> > > > >
> > > > > This came in on the Rhodes 22 list-serve today.  I would
appreciate
> >your
> > > > > comments.  As I recall you use foam luffs, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > PT
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY)"
<douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com>
> > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:27 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rope luff pad question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everybody,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do any of you have experience with a rope luff pad?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I just received my new 150% Genoa, and had specified a seafoam
luff
> >pad.
> > > > > However, it was delivered from Doyle with a rope luff pad.  I know
> >that
> > > > > North is touting the rope luff as the next great thing (doesn't
> > > > > compress, doesn't absorb water, etc.).  But it seems to me that
its
> > > > > greatest advantage is that it is easy to install, and that is
> >probably
> > > > > why Doyle is going with it too.  Stan said that all of their
larger
> > > > > sails still come with the foam pad, so he doesn't know what is
going
> >on.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Before I send it back to Doyle and tell them to send me what I
asked
> > > > > for, I'd like some opinions on whether or not I should be glad I
> >have
> > > > > the rope luff pad instead of the foam pad. My web searches haven't
> > > > > turned up anything but the company propaganda, so I really don't
> >have
> >an
> > > > > objective opinion.  I won't have the opportunity to try it until
> >May,
> > > > > and my guess is that will be a little late to tell them to do it
> >right!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --Doug Gardner
> > > > >
> > > > > s/v Fretnaught
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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