[Rhodes22-list] Jay Bulfer, Captain Rummy asked, " What largertrailerable?"

Sun Feb 11 09:43:09 EST 2007

My mistake....I had heard the 15 year old sailed across Atlantic in water 
ballast sailboat....the boat is not WB. I just checked out the web site for 
Tide 28. The Tide 28 can motor up to 17 MPH and carry 70 HP outboard and I 
had heard many say it was just a bigger Mac. It actually has a heavy 
retractable keel kind of like Seaward.

Wally

>From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jay Bulfer, Captain Rummy asked," What 
>largertrailerable?"
>Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:33:49 -0500
>
>Ed, Just as an FYI.....when water ballast is used correctly it is safe. The 
>Mac26 rollover you like to reference is a perfect example. The boat had no 
>water ballast and was over loaded. This was "user error". A rookie skipper 
>not reefing in heavy winds causes capsize......are sails unsafe? Are you 
>going to blame the sails or the skipper?
>
>Water ballast has been safely used by the US Navy, commercial, and pleasure 
>boats a long time. Sailboats have used water ballast for hundreds of years. 
>Did you read about the 15 year old who just sailed a water ballast sail 
>boat acoss the Atlantic?  It is also a trailer sailor? Check out some of 
>the sail boats made in Europe and down under.....these folks seem to have 
>many more options than we do here in the states. Many are water ballast.
>
>Now don't get me wrong....I do like the R22 design and use of ballast but I 
>am always amused by folks trying to make it seem like a Mac 26 is a ticking 
>time bomb. Now if you would have said the new Mac 26 is ugly and doesn't 
>sail well I would agree!
>
>For my use I would not want a R22 as 100% trailer sailor. Although the R22 
>is easier than most to launch and retireve I would not want to mess with 
>every time. That is why I slip my boat. I admit I am lazy but I do love to 
>sail!
>
>Wally
>
>
>>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jay Bulfer, Captain Rummy asked," What 
>>largertrailerable?"
>>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 06:15:20 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>
>>Jay, et al;
>>
>>      I left out part of second paragraph!  It should read, " In todays
>>market, and in the real world a sailboat " LARGER THAN A RHODES 22," that
>>one man or one man and his wife can safely and easily launch and retrieve 
>>is
>>not currently made.
>>
>>(Again, I do not consider sailboats at 25& 26 feet using water ballast 
>>true
>>and safe sailboats.)
>>
>>Ed K
>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>
>>
>>Tootle wrote:
>> >
>> > Jay:
>> >
>> >      Captain Rummy asked a very important question, "What larger
>> > trailerable?"
>> >
>> >       In todays market, and in the real world a sailboat that one man 
>>or
>> > one man and his wife can safely and easily launch and retrieve is not
>> > currently made.
>> >
>> >        If you think, that the sailboats advertised in the 25-26 range 
>>that
>> > utilize water ballast are safe for the trips that you propose, then 
>>think
>> > and carefully analyze them.  I would say that you should carefully 
>>study
>> > the safety issues involved with production sailboats using water 
>>ballast.
>> > I will leave the details to your research.  You may have seen
>> > advertisements for a Mac 26.  That is a motorboat first and sailboat
>> > second.
>> >
>> >       There are essentially few concepts of sailboats that are 
>>trailerable
>> > and still a sail boat.  Those concepts involve either a stubby keel or 
>>a
>> > centerboard or a combination thereof.  There have been boats designed 
>>with
>> > neither but still utilized ballast.
>> > http://www.sailorschoice.com/Terms/sctermsletterc.htm
>> >
>> >         The centerboard concept can be a swing or pivot centerboard or 
>>a
>> > dagger board.  In those boats involving a stubby keel the ballast will
>> > usually be found in the stubby keel and the centerboard will 
>>non-weighted
>> > whereas in the non keel version the ballast will be in centerboard or
>> > dagger board.
>> >
>> >           You may have seen bigger sailboats on trailers, but they will 
>>be
>> > launched and retrieved either with multiple help or the assistance of 
>>boat
>> > cranes or such devices.  A man and his wife will not launch these 
>>boats.
>> > Those boats while able to be put on a trailer for transport or end of
>> > season are not considered â€˜trailerable sailboatsâ€™.  A current 
>>example of
>> > such a boat is the Seaward 26 which General Boats also sells.  See
>> > http://www.Rhodes22.com
>> >
>> >            Another example of such a boat is the Com-Pac 23.  The
>> > president of Com Pac specifically told me in person that it was 
>>designed
>> > for end of season storage.  Not for routine trailering.
>> >
>> >            You may really want a powerboat.  We are sail boaters.  
>>Please
>> > note that we do have sail boaters who snorkel and scuba also.
>> >
>> > Ed K
>> > Greenville, SC, USA
>> > Addendum:  http://www.geocities.com/cjstein_2000/dictionary.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > R22RumRunner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What larger trailerable?
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