[Rhodes22-list] Retracting IMF
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Tue Feb 20 19:40:29 EST 2007
Slim,
I've got the new kit, too, and I like it, too.
But you've still got to put all the excess line somewhere.
Bill Effros
Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> Slim.
> Nope I meant the outhaul. Our reefing line is still on a horn cleat
> and frankly we don't have much trouble with that - perhaps because we
> are always double-handed. The out haul was more of a problem for us.
> The kit Stan sells includes the piece of UMPWUMP (I like that) for
> mounting the cleat. IIRC the kit include the cam cleat, the piece cut
> to fit the boom & the through boom fitting. We had to cut the hole in
> the boom and attach the UMPWUMP fitting with self tapping screws (I
> think Stan provided those too.)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
> At 04:41 PM 2/20/2007, you wrote:
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> Thanks, but don't you mean the reefing line? The outhaul (blue line)
>> looks
>> to be on top of your boom--same as mine. Not that the outhaul
>> couldn't have
>> a cam cleat too. IIRC Rummy has both.
>>
>> I didn't know Stan had a retrofit kit. Rummy had to specially cut a
>> piece
>> of UMPWUMP (whatever it is) to accommodate the curve of the boom to
>> the
>> flat seat of the cleat. What exactly did Stan send you? Do you have
>> any
>> more pictures?
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On 2/20/07 7:15 AM, "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Slim,
>> > A couple of years ago we bought Stan's retrofit kit for the through
>> > the boom/camcleat fittings for the outhaul. We like it a lot even
>> > though we still don't know if we installed it backwards. Plusses &
>> > minuses either way I think. In any event it makes adjusting the
>> > outhaul much quicker. You can just barely see it in this pic - you
>> > might need to squint. The outhaul goes through the boom (plastic
>> > fitting to protect the line) and cleats under the boom.
>> >
>> > Mary Lou
>> >
>> > At 01:50 AM 2/20/2007, you wrote:
>> >> Thanks, Bill, I'll put all this into practice and try to improve my
>> >> technique. Also, I'd like to modify my boom and install cam
>> cleats instead
>> >> of horn cleats (like Rummy has) which makes everything faster.
>> >>
>> >> Slim
>> >>
>> >> On 2/19/07 5:39 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Slim,
>> >>>
>> >>> OK, now we're on the same page.
>> >>>
>> >>> Like you, the only time it's harder than easy for me is when the
>> wind
>> >>> has picked up relative to the amount of main sail I have out,
>> forcing me
>> >>> to let out the main to a point where the aft boom cleat can't be
>> reached
>> >>> while standing on floor of the cockpit.
>> >>>
>> >>> Part of your solution has been to cleat the lines on the mid boom
>> cleat,
>> >>> however that forces you to leave the tiller. I tried that
>> approach, but
>> >>> have subsequently moved the lines back to the aft boom cleat. I
>> found
>> >>> it was dangerous to wrestle with the boom when it had too much
>> sail on
>> >>> it, I wasn't holding onto the tiller, and I was leaning toward the
>> >>> leeward side of the boat.
>> >>>
>> >>> If the lines are cleated aft, you are forced to bring the sail in
>> over
>> >>> the cockpit (which, just incidentally, makes the sail furl on the
>> tube
>> >>> more easily and more cleanly.) The only ways you can bring the sail
>> >>> over the cockpit, if it is not already there, is by sailing
>> higher into
>> >>> the wind, while coming about, or in a hove-to situation. In that
>> order.
>> >>>
>> >>> If the boom is over the water and you want to reduce the main sail,
>> >>> first retract the genny so that it is around 100%. No problem
>> >>> there--I'm sure you know how to do that without snarling the
>> >>> furler--(hint to newbies--keep tension on both lines.) The main
>> sail is
>> >>> 1/2 the size of the 175 genny, so this will significantly depower
>> the
>> >>> boat, and may allow you to bring in the main over the cockpit
>> depending
>> >>> on how far your mainsail must be adjusted. If so, release the lines
>> >>> from the aft cleat and adjust at reduced speed on the same course.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you still can't pull in your main, steer higher into the wind
>> until
>> >>> you can, and then fall off again after making the adjustment in
>> >>> relatively calm air. If you steer too high, and wish to come
>> about, you
>> >>> can catch the boom and make your adjustment while the boom
>> remains on
>> >>> the favored side, usually Starboard, before releasing the genny
>> sheet
>> >>> and completing the tack. If you can't do this fast enough, or
>> don't
>> >>> want to come about, don't release the genny sheet, which will
>> >>> automatically leave you hove-to. Using the tiller you can get
>> the boom
>> >>> anywhere you want it in calm air over the cockpit. You will have as
>> >>> much time as you need to adjust the sail, tiller between legs,
>> standing
>> >>> in the center of the cockpit, aft, approximately over the table
>> socket.
>> >>>
>> >>> You can sail out of being hove-to on either a port or starboard
>> tack.
>> >>> Steer in the direction you wish to go. Then release the genny,
>> or not,
>> >>> depending on which tack you want to be on.
>> >>>
>> >>> Bill Effros
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Slim wrote:
>> >>>> Just Plain Bill, et al,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Right--lengthening the sail is never a problem and I, too try to
>> >> put up less
>> >>>> sail than I need at first and add more later if I want. But
>> sometimes I
>> >>>> over estimate how much to use and other times the wind picks up
>> after I'm
>> >>>> out there, so shortening the main in the heat of battle is
>> >> something I want
>> >>>> to get better at. It's especially tricky if I'm
>> >> single-handing. And, like
>> >>>> you have said, even with others onboard I'm still
>> single-handing, although
>> >>>> someone to take the helm and hold our course is a big help and
>> >> not too hard
>> >>>> even for a novice. I can always heave to in order to do
>> anything but I'd
>> >>>> like to get better at reefing quickly while still under
>> >> way. Thanks for the
>> >>>> tip on moving the boom car before I haul in the reefing line. I
>> think
>> >>>> that'll help.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Slim
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/18/07 10:46 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Slim,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I've read some of the replies.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> First, let's note you are only speaking of shortening the
>> sail. There
>> >>>>> is no problem lengthening it. Just prior to tacking, you
>> simply release
>> >>>>> the line that prevents more sail from going out, to add the
>> amount of
>> >>>>> sail you wish to add. This will cause a huge belly in the
>> sail. Using
>> >>>>> the main sheet, cleat the sail so that it is above the cockpit
>> on the
>> >>>>> starboard side of the boat (on most boats depending on the
>> rotation of
>> >>>>> the IMF inside the mast). Pause in your tack long enough to
>> secure the
>> >>>>> longer sail in it's new position on the boom, adjusting for the
>> level of
>> >>>>> sail tightness. Finish your tack, or not, depending on where
>> you want
>> >>>>> to go.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> When shortening the sail you must release the line that holds
>> the sail
>> >>>>> out, first. Move the car on the boom to where you want the
>> sail to be
>> >>>>> attached to the boom. Again, this will cause the sail to belly
>> out.
>> >>>>> Then pull the sail retrieval line to get the proper sail shape.
>> >>>>> Continue the tack, or not.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If it's really blowing you may have to heave to in order to
>> keep the
>> >>>>> sail under control.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I always start with less sail than I think I will need and then
>> lengthen
>> >>>>> it. I always heave to when retracting sail fully at the end of
>> the day
>> >>>>> because if you learn to heave to, well, you can make the boat
>> point into
>> >>>>> the wind at any direction that makes retracting the sail work
>> best on
>> >>>>> your boat with your sails. Experience.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Bill Effros
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Slim wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> My, my, my... Aren't we a chatty bunch today? Ninety-some
>> emails!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Art brought up an important point about operating the IMF on a
>> >> port tack.
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> do this too but only slightly off the wind for best results.
>> I let the
>> >>>>>> main
>> >>>>>> sheet go so the sail is luffing and then it's a cinch to roll
>> it up.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Here's where I could use some help: If the wind picks up and
>> >> I decide to
>> >>>>>> shorten sail, I usually discover that I'm overpowered when on
>> a close
>> >>>>>> reach.
>> >>>>>> That's when you get heeled over too much. That's when the
>> >> wind has picked
>> >>>>>> up and there's a lot of force on the sail. I've found it to
>> be quite
>> >>>>>> difficult to reef in the mail on this point of sail even if it
>> is a port
>> >>>>>> tack and absolutely impossible on a starboard tack.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So what maneuvers or what point of sail would be best to make
>> >> this easier?
>> >>>>>> Must I luff up? I don't like doing that because it's so
>> chaotic and
>> >>>>>> sometimes I get blown over to the other tack anyway and the
>> problem gets
>> >>>>>> worse. But if there's any wind in the sail at all then it's
>> >> much harder to
>> >>>>>> flatten out the sail because the lines are so stressed. At
>> least I've
>> >>>>>> finally learned to cleat off my control lines on the cleats
>> >> nearer the mast
>> >>>>>> and not the ones at the end of the boom where I can't always
>> >> reach them. I
>> >>>>>> think I've answered my own question. You gotta luff up. But
>> has anyone
>> >>>>>> discovered a better procedure?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Reefing in the jib under these conditions is easier. I
>> >> usually wait until
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> tack and then keep the jib sheet on the now-windward side sort
>> of like a
>> >>>>>> heave to, backwinding the main. Then I can ease the sheet out
>> >> and take the
>> >>>>>> reefing line while the jib is still full of air.
>> >>>>>>
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