[Rhodes22-list] Sail Inventory

[Russell Miller]

David-

You should purchase sails Etc from Stan at GBI,  his price will probably be
better than any u can get\

Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at gmail.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Inventory


> David,
>
> I was a little lucky when i found my boat. It was an 84 and needed a
little
> TLC but it had a brand new IMF main and brand new 125. The original IMF
and
> 155 were pretty ragged, Both new sails were from Quantum and are very well
> made. I bet you could contact Quantum for measurements and pricing.
Quantum
> is not cheap so you could probably do much better on price.. They do make
a
> nice sail. If  I am out on the boat (and it is not 90) degrees I will take
> some measurements. Also I am not saying to give up on the 175......if my
> boat came with a 175 I would most likely fly it untill blown out. I do
know
> I would replace with 155.... for my conditions it works best.
>
> My boat came with a Harken Furler that allows easy sail changes. It also
> alows for tensioning of the halyard. If desired you could fly two
headsails
> like Peter discussed. I have only done this once and it was pretty
> interesting but I am usually solo so this is not the norm.
>
> As you mentioned pay attention to your local conditions for a while....ift
> may turn out the big sail is the way to go....or not.
>
> Wally
>
>
> On 5/26/07, David Culp <daculp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wally:
> >
> > Thank you, this is great information and helps me a lot in determining
> > that
> > if I do decide, how big to go.  I want
> > something that I can sail with fully unfurled most of the time and only
> > reef
> > if I really, really have to.
> >
> > In summer around here, there is either not much wind so the 175 is too
> > heavy
> > or it's 20 mph or better and it just seems like too much and I end up
> > rolling it up some.  The 125 might be the one to get for when the wind
is
> > up.  Seems like I have the 175 rolled up a lot of times to the spreaders
> > so
> > I can stay flatter and tack it easier.  A lot of times, I won't catch
> > subtle
> > changes in the wind until the sail luffs.  I miss not having some
> > tale-tells
> > to give me some clues earlier.
> >
> > I am not giving up on the big sail though, because some days it works
> > great,
> > unfortunately I don't see many of those days.
> >
> > Question:  What type of furler do you have and does it allow changing
> > sails?  My boat has the factory original which I like because it is
simple
> > and solid but would require stepping the mast and changing the sails.  I
> > want to be able to choose which sail to use at the slip before I go
> > out.  On
> > days where
> > the 175 will work well, I'll go with it.  Wind is up and gusty (happens
a
> > lot in Texas) probably would get the 125 up if I'm alone.  Like Rummy
> > said,
> > there is no use
> > having sails underfoot and with no crew to help, I don't see many sail
> > changes happening on the water.
> >
> > Question:  Do you happen to know the dimensions of your 125?  I'm
guessing
> > the foot would be somewhere around 11 feet.
> >
> > I left you off my list of "go to" people in an earlier post in
oversight,
> > but you should have been on it as well because your information is
always
> > on point and helpful as well.  Thanks again.
> >
> > David
> >
> > Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:37:59 -0400
> > From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy is right, but I may still need a
> >       110
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> >
> > David,
> >
> > Once your start furling any sail the shape and performance is negatively
> > effected. This is a fact. You can not furl the leading edge flat. Anyone
> > who
> > tells you a partially furled sails does not have a negative effect on
sail
> > shape is in denial. A 175 furled down to 125 is going to have pretty
poor
> > shape regardless of vendor. Ask the vendor and they will tell you the
same
> > thing (if they are honest). Yes you can make adjustments to limit the
> > problem but facts are facts. A 155 furled to 125 will pull better than a
> > 175
> > furled to 125. A 155 at 135 will pull better than a 175 furled to
> > 135......So up to conditions that call for 155 or less the 155 will be
the
> > best sail.
> >
> > Now is a 175 furled to 160 better than a 155? Maybe.....maybe not. This
> > may
> > depend more on point of sail than anything else. Some say the 175
> > maximizes
> > potenital but in my eyes it is the wrong sail more often than it is the
> > right one. It does seem to me that those that like the 175 sail have
never
> > tried anything different and typically don't race their boat.
> >
> > I don't have a 110 (or a 175) but if you really want a smaller sail for
> > heavy weather I would consider the 125 or 135. I have a 155 and a 125.
The
> > 125 is the max size that can fit fully unfurled inside the shrouds. It
> > comes
> > just short of hitting spreaders. This furls down to about a 110 and
still
> > holds shape ok. I have flown a friends sail that looked to me like it
> > would
> > be close to a 165/175. Great sail off the wind in steady light/med
> > winds... but really was too heavy for light winds and too much sail for
> > heavy winds. Many others on this list have complained about the 175 in
> > very
> > light winds....too heavy and will not hold shape. Another common
complaint
> > with 175 is lee helm.
> >
> > It really depends on your own preference and sailing conditions.
> >
> > Fair Winds,
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/24/07, David Culp <daculp at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rummy:
> > >
> > > No doubt the 175 maximizes the potential of the boat design and
> > therefore
> > > is
> > > the correct sail for the boat for the majority of owners.  On my
narrow,
> > > long and winding lake with its fickle winds, I very rarely get to
enjoy
> > it
> > > fully unfurled for long periods.  It has happened on a few days and it
> > was
> > > great.  When I can get a steady enough wind to keep it filled but not
so
> > > strong as to require reducing its size I have been impressed with
> > > performance and have learned to tack it fairly well.  The terrain
around
> > > here also causes many wind direction changes and the result is almost
> > > constant sail trimming.  You can be drifting one minute in 6 kts, and
> > then
> > > around the next bend be reefing in 20.  This is not a sailing lake, at
> > > least
> > > not for boats with big gennies or spinnakers.  In fact, in 5 years I
> > have
> > > only seen one spinnaker flown and it was me flying it from a friend's
> > > Flying
> > > Scot.
> > >
> > > You're right, I for one, admit that I do not know how to use the 175
> > > properly and if I ever want to really learn how, I am going to have to
> > > trailer to a better locale where I can get on some steady runs and
> > > experiment with it.   This year is my second season and I am really
> > > working
> > > the traveler a lot more and that has been a help with it.  I am going
to
> > > get
> > > a pole and attach it to the shrouds as you suggest.  This will help me
> > > greatly on light wind days to keep the sail presented properly to the
> > > wind.
> > > In moderate winds, I usually have no problems wing and wing.
> > >
> > > It might be better for me in my locale to change out the furler to the
> > CDI
> > > which allows sail changes because I would not want to give up having
the
> > > 175
> > > for those special days.  I'm guessing a 110 would be the most useful
and
> > > also guessing that it would furl out to just past the upper shroud
area.
> > > Anyone have a 110 and can tell me where the clew extends to when fully
> > > unfurled?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:46:08 EDT
> > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa size and usage
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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> > >
> > > David,
> > > Instead of attaching the whisker pole to the special eye on the front
of
> > > the
> > > mast, try attaching it to the shrouds. Going forward to attach and
push
> > > out
> > > a whisker pole requires crew on board. You can attach to one of the
> > > shrouds
> > > without going forward and I do it all the time single handing.
> > > I was out sailing with another R22 skipper this past Sunday and he
> > > couldn't
> > > believe how simple it was. He thought the only place you could attach
it
> > > was
> > > on  the front of the mast, Duh!
> > > I have allowed a lot of discussion of the 175 to slide by the past
> > couple
> > > of
> > > weeks, but this is coming to a screeching halt.
> > > The 175 is the best sail for the R22. It provides all the power on
this
> > > boat. Furling my 175 does not ruin the sail shape. I have the same Lee
> > > sail
> > > that
> > > came with the boat in 1988. Perhaps the Doyle sails have lousy shape
> > when
> > > furled, but mine does not. The 175 gives you so many advantages,
> > > especially
> > > in
> > > light air conditions. In heavy air, it can give you a rush you have
> > never
> > > experienced. Unless you have the CDI furler and can change your sails,
> > the
> > > 175  is
> > > the route to go. If you don't think so, then you simply don't know
your
> > > boat
> > > or how to use the sail properly and would be better off with a smaller
> > > sail.
> > >
> > > Rummy said that.
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