[Rhodes22-list] Sail Inventory

[TN Rhodey]

David,

As Russ suggests I would check with GB first....Stan may even have something
used. If you want something a little different (like Peter's sail) Stan will
probably send you else where.

A few years ago I needed a new IMF goose neck assembly and called GB. I was
surprised Stan sent me straight to Dwyer as they actually stocked the parts.
I called Stan once to order some replacement parts for my IMF. He emailed me
repair instructions instead! I called him to order the GB Mast Hoist System
and he sold me a used one. GB is the best!

Fair Winds,

Wally




On 5/28/07, Russell Miller <re.miller at att.net> wrote:
>
> David-
>
> You should purchase sails Etc from Stan at GBI,  his price will probably
> be
> better than any u can get\
>
> Russ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Inventory
>
>
> > David,
> >
> > I was a little lucky when i found my boat. It was an 84 and needed a
> little
> > TLC but it had a brand new IMF main and brand new 125. The original IMF
> and
> > 155 were pretty ragged, Both new sails were from Quantum and are very
> well
> > made. I bet you could contact Quantum for measurements and pricing.
> Quantum
> > is not cheap so you could probably do much better on price.. They do
> make
> a
> > nice sail. If  I am out on the boat (and it is not 90) degrees I will
> take
> > some measurements. Also I am not saying to give up on the 175......if my
> > boat came with a 175 I would most likely fly it untill blown out. I do
> know
> > I would replace with 155.... for my conditions it works best.
> >
> > My boat came with a Harken Furler that allows easy sail changes. It also
> > alows for tensioning of the halyard. If desired you could fly two
> headsails
> > like Peter discussed. I have only done this once and it was pretty
> > interesting but I am usually solo so this is not the norm.
> >
> > As you mentioned pay attention to your local conditions for a
> while....ift
> > may turn out the big sail is the way to go....or not.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > On 5/26/07, David Culp <daculp at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wally:
> > >
> > > Thank you, this is great information and helps me a lot in determining
> > > that
> > > if I do decide, how big to go.  I want
> > > something that I can sail with fully unfurled most of the time and
> only
> > > reef
> > > if I really, really have to.
> > >
> > > In summer around here, there is either not much wind so the 175 is too
> > > heavy
> > > or it's 20 mph or better and it just seems like too much and I end up
> > > rolling it up some.  The 125 might be the one to get for when the wind
> is
> > > up.  Seems like I have the 175 rolled up a lot of times to the
> spreaders
> > > so
> > > I can stay flatter and tack it easier.  A lot of times, I won't catch
> > > subtle
> > > changes in the wind until the sail luffs.  I miss not having some
> > > tale-tells
> > > to give me some clues earlier.
> > >
> > > I am not giving up on the big sail though, because some days it works
> > > great,
> > > unfortunately I don't see many of those days.
> > >
> > > Question:  What type of furler do you have and does it allow changing
> > > sails?  My boat has the factory original which I like because it is
> simple
> > > and solid but would require stepping the mast and changing the
> sails.  I
> > > want to be able to choose which sail to use at the slip before I go
> > > out.  On
> > > days where
> > > the 175 will work well, I'll go with it.  Wind is up and gusty
> (happens
> a
> > > lot in Texas) probably would get the 125 up if I'm alone.  Like Rummy
> > > said,
> > > there is no use
> > > having sails underfoot and with no crew to help, I don't see many sail
> > > changes happening on the water.
> > >
> > > Question:  Do you happen to know the dimensions of your 125?  I'm
> guessing
> > > the foot would be somewhere around 11 feet.
> > >
> > > I left you off my list of "go to" people in an earlier post in
> oversight,
> > > but you should have been on it as well because your information is
> always
> > > on point and helpful as well.  Thanks again.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:37:59 -0400
> > > From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy is right, but I may still need a
> > >       110
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Message-ID:
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> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Once your start furling any sail the shape and performance is
> negatively
> > > effected. This is a fact. You can not furl the leading edge flat.
> Anyone
> > > who
> > > tells you a partially furled sails does not have a negative effect on
> sail
> > > shape is in denial. A 175 furled down to 125 is going to have pretty
> poor
> > > shape regardless of vendor. Ask the vendor and they will tell you the
> same
> > > thing (if they are honest). Yes you can make adjustments to limit the
> > > problem but facts are facts. A 155 furled to 125 will pull better than
> a
> > > 175
> > > furled to 125. A 155 at 135 will pull better than a 175 furled to
> > > 135......So up to conditions that call for 155 or less the 155 will be
> the
> > > best sail.
> > >
> > > Now is a 175 furled to 160 better than a 155? Maybe.....maybe not.
> This
> > > may
> > > depend more on point of sail than anything else. Some say the 175
> > > maximizes
> > > potenital but in my eyes it is the wrong sail more often than it is
> the
> > > right one. It does seem to me that those that like the 175 sail have
> never
> > > tried anything different and typically don't race their boat.
> > >
> > > I don't have a 110 (or a 175) but if you really want a smaller sail
> for
> > > heavy weather I would consider the 125 or 135. I have a 155 and a 125.
> The
> > > 125 is the max size that can fit fully unfurled inside the shrouds. It
> > > comes
> > > just short of hitting spreaders. This furls down to about a 110 and
> still
> > > holds shape ok. I have flown a friends sail that looked to me like it
> > > would
> > > be close to a 165/175. Great sail off the wind in steady light/med
> > > winds... but really was too heavy for light winds and too much sail
> for
> > > heavy winds. Many others on this list have complained about the 175 in
> > > very
> > > light winds....too heavy and will not hold shape. Another common
> complaint
> > > with 175 is lee helm.
> > >
> > > It really depends on your own preference and sailing conditions.
> > >
> > > Fair Winds,
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/24/07, David Culp <daculp at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rummy:
> > > >
> > > > No doubt the 175 maximizes the potential of the boat design and
> > > therefore
> > > > is
> > > > the correct sail for the boat for the majority of owners.  On my
> narrow,
> > > > long and winding lake with its fickle winds, I very rarely get to
> enjoy
> > > it
> > > > fully unfurled for long periods.  It has happened on a few days and
> it
> > > was
> > > > great.  When I can get a steady enough wind to keep it filled but
> not
> so
> > > > strong as to require reducing its size I have been impressed with
> > > > performance and have learned to tack it fairly well.  The terrain
> around
> > > > here also causes many wind direction changes and the result is
> almost
> > > > constant sail trimming.  You can be drifting one minute in 6 kts,
> and
> > > then
> > > > around the next bend be reefing in 20.  This is not a sailing lake,
> at
> > > > least
> > > > not for boats with big gennies or spinnakers.  In fact, in 5 years I
> > > have
> > > > only seen one spinnaker flown and it was me flying it from a
> friend's
> > > > Flying
> > > > Scot.
> > > >
> > > > You're right, I for one, admit that I do not know how to use the 175
> > > > properly and if I ever want to really learn how, I am going to have
> to
> > > > trailer to a better locale where I can get on some steady runs and
> > > > experiment with it.   This year is my second season and I am really
> > > > working
> > > > the traveler a lot more and that has been a help with it.  I am
> going
> to
> > > > get
> > > > a pole and attach it to the shrouds as you suggest.  This will help
> me
> > > > greatly on light wind days to keep the sail presented properly to
> the
> > > > wind.
> > > > In moderate winds, I usually have no problems wing and wing.
> > > >
> > > > It might be better for me in my locale to change out the furler to
> the
> > > CDI
> > > > which allows sail changes because I would not want to give up having
> the
> > > > 175
> > > > for those special days.  I'm guessing a 110 would be the most useful
> and
> > > > also guessing that it would furl out to just past the upper shroud
> area.
> > > > Anyone have a 110 and can tell me where the clew extends to when
> fully
> > > > unfurled?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:46:08 EDT
> > > > From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa size and usage
> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > Message-ID: <d36.8802f0d.3386d500 at aol.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > > >
> > > > David,
> > > > Instead of attaching the whisker pole to the special eye on the
> front
> of
> > > > the
> > > > mast, try attaching it to the shrouds. Going forward to attach and
> push
> > > > out
> > > > a whisker pole requires crew on board. You can attach to one of the
> > > > shrouds
> > > > without going forward and I do it all the time single handing.
> > > > I was out sailing with another R22 skipper this past Sunday and he
> > > > couldn't
> > > > believe how simple it was. He thought the only place you could
> attach
> it
> > > > was
> > > > on  the front of the mast, Duh!
> > > > I have allowed a lot of discussion of the 175 to slide by the past
> > > couple
> > > > of
> > > > weeks, but this is coming to a screeching halt.
> > > > The 175 is the best sail for the R22. It provides all the power on
> this
> > > > boat. Furling my 175 does not ruin the sail shape. I have the same
> Lee
> > > > sail
> > > > that
> > > > came with the boat in 1988. Perhaps the Doyle sails have lousy shape
> > > when
> > > > furled, but mine does not. The 175 gives you so many advantages,
> > > > especially
> > > > in
> > > > light air conditions. In heavy air, it can give you a rush you have
> > > never
> > > > experienced. Unless you have the CDI furler and can change your
> sails,
> > > the
> > > > 175  is
> > > > the route to go. If you don't think so, then you simply don't know
> your
> > > > boat
> > > > or how to use the sail properly and would be better off with a
> smaller
> > > > sail.
> > > >
> > > > Rummy said that.
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