[Rhodes22-list] Winter storage questions
Disick, David
DJD at Corcoran.com
Sun Nov 4 21:13:18 EST 2007
Hi Folks,
This is my first winter since acquiring my 1996 Rhodes22 with in-mast furling. My community marina, at Hog Creek off Gardner's Bay in East Hampton, NY requires that my boat be out of the water by 11/15. One question is do I leave my main sail furled when storing? Is it OK to leave the mast out-of-doors as long as it is covered with either a tarp or shrink wrapped? I have no trailer so a local boat yard hauls me out to their yard requiring the mast to be dropped. Also I still have not found a good way to store the anchor for quick, easy deployment and would welcome any suggestions.
Please respond.
Thank you,
David
David J. Disick
212 848-0443
917 209-1845
djd at corcoran.com
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1. Re: Sail Plan Changes (Peter Thorn)
2. Re: Flying Video (Robert Skinner)
3. Re: Sail Plan Changes (Robert Skinner)
4. Re: Sail Plan Changes (Brad Haslett)
5. Re: Flying Video (Brad Haslett)
6. Re: Flying Video (john Belanger)
7. Re: Flying Video (bobmellor)
8. Re: A Very Blustery Day! (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
9. Re: Sailboat electrics book (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
10. Re: Reply to Art about fix for deck joint at rub rail.
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11. Re: Reply to Art about fix for deck joint at rub rail.
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12. Re: Sail Plan Changes (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
13. Re: Sail Plan Changes (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
14. boat position on the trailer (Just bent)
15. Replty to Ed about his reply to Art (very pungent reply,
others need not read) (Todd Tavares)
16. Re: boat position on the trailer (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
17. Re: Replty to Ed about his reply to Art (very pungent reply,
others need not read) (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
18. Re: Sail Plan Changes (Arthur H. Czerwonky)
19. Re: Replty to Ed about his reply to Art (very pungent reply,
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20. Re: Sail Plan Changes, Brother Brad look here!
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:10:20 -0400
From: "Peter Thorn" <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
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Mary Lou,
That looks pretty much like Raven's rig. I was surprised to find out it
seems to work a little better with our 12' pole on the UPS to the windward
side. Probably because the UPS is less %LP. A while back, with the wind
behind us crossing the Neuse from Adams Creek to Oriental, we moved along
quite nicely for more than 5 miles, changing nothing, passing the waves,
until running out of water.
PT
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Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 11:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
Hi Pete,
We did that once coming home from Baltimore. (Picture attached.) We
poled out the UPS because our whisker pole padeye is set a little low
and figured the UPS would be more forgiving. We have track for the
mast but have never installed it. It worked so well we may never get
around to installing the track. We almost never use the pole with the
genoa anymore. We tend to use the UPS and when its not in tandem with
the genoa it rarely needs poling out.
Once a librarian always a librarian.
Mary Lou
At 10:58 AM 11/3/2007, you wrote:
>Mary Lou,
>
>Have you tried winging the UPS and the 175 together downwind? Which one do
>you connect to pole?
>
>Nice references on the STJ. Library science rules!
>
>PT
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:28:11 -0500
From: Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flying Video
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Brad, no matter which eye you use I don't see
how you can say, "Not much to look at."
Those crisp rolls are beautiful. She makes it
look like "No Svet!" She could lose the waving
and no hands stuff, though.
/Robert
-----------------------------------------------
Brad Haslett wrote:
>
> She's not much to look at but she sure can fly! Brad
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=eKLaJDIoWfI
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:34:15 -0500
From: Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
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John & Brad -
Rather than carrying an extra boom, consider using
your adjustable whisker pole or boat hook. The
forces may be small enough to let it do the job of
controling the foot of the sail and keeping it fulll.
Every time I turn around, I find another use for my
boat hook. It has a lot of extra rings, clips, etc...
/Robert
--------------------------------
john Belanger wrote:
>
> brad,
> being a flyer, you should be able to find some alumunum tubing and a pipe bender. why is the tube necessary? the jib is loose footed, only held at the clew. why a boom? i'v seen that boom on another type of boat....perhaps a one-design racer?
>
> Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> PT,
>
> About once a month I find myself price checking Alerion 28's on
> Yachtworld.com, and yup, they're still expensive. They have got to be the
> sexiest and most graceful looking sail boats built. The single biggest
> drawback for me is that they draw over four feet, nearly as much as mine.
> My home sailing waters would double in size at three feet draft or less. If
> I could figure out how to install a Hoyt Jib Boom on the S2 I would. I'm
> thinking more along the lines of "Jed Clampet" engineering - cheap but
> effective.
>
> Brad
>
> On 11/2/07, Peter Thorn
> wrote:
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> > Self tacking jibs are pretty cool. You want easy tacking? Check these
> > out-
> >
> >
> > http://alerionexpress.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/ae20broadband
> > .
> > swf
> >
> > PT
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad Haslett
> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:16 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
> >
> > Elle,
> >
> > Your $.02 worth may rule the day. After thinking about it some more I'm
> > loathe to change the original sail plan. The only reason I or anyone else
> > needs to stand while under sail is for me to get to the genoa
> > winches. They
> > are located forward of the wheel which means for every tack I have to
> > leave
> > the helm if the genny out while single-handing or short-handed, which is
> > always. Since my home waters is a curving river, I have to tack often.
> > What I've thought about is jury rigging some type of self-tending jib and
> > furl the 135% jenny to 100% and live with the less than optimum sail shape
> > (speed is not a primary concern). Anyone have a photo of Stan's that I
> > can
> > use to steal his intellectual property?
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On 10/31/07, elle wrote:
> > >
> > > my 2?
> > > You could walk around on your knees...
> > >
> > > Sometimes short has it's advantages...;^)
> > >
> > > elle
> > >
> > > --- Brad Haslett wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok, boys and girls, put your thinking caps on!
> > > > Here's the deal, the sails
> > > > rep I've been visiting with has a 9.2C just like
> > > > mine that he raised the
> > > > boom 10 inches on for better headroom (mine is about
> > > > 5' 11 1/8 inches above
> > > > the cockpit which gives me 1/4 inch to play with
> > > > versus getting whacked
> > > > while standing up). He also shortened his boom
> > > > length 21 inches which I
> > > > really don't want to do. He says the boat handles
> > > > better, has less weather
> > > > helm, and the center of effort moves forward. Other
> > > > than the obvious loss
> > > > of sail area (less than 5% by my calculations) what
> > > > can be anticipated in
> > > > changes of handling characteristics? He (the rep)
> > > > says it moves the center
> > > > of effort forward and the boat is more stable based
> > > > on his experience.
> > > >
> > > > Now this from Stan's site: *Lowering the boom,
> > > > automatically lowers the sail
> > > > inside the mast, which in turn lowers the center of
> > > > effort of the sail,
> > > > therefore increasing the stability of the boat
> > > > without cutting sail area.
> > > > In fact, boat speed actually increases slightly by
> > > > lowering the boom.
> > > >
> > > > *Can we assume then that raising the boom will
> > > > decrease stability and if so
> > > > by what margin? What is your experience? Loss of
> > > > speed is not an issue with
> > > > me. Everytime I think about these things I get a
> > > > headache. I'm sure Stan
> > > > could answer this in about 2 seconds but I'm afraid
> > > > he'd want a donation for
> > > > his experience. That greed thing again. I'm hoping
> > > > someone can think this
> > > > through and give an informed opinion at a reasonable
> > > > cost. Like free!
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > *
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> > >
> > >
> > > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
> > >
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> > >
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:53:48 -0500
From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Robert,
I had that same thought. Since both ends are hooks, not eyes, how do you
suggest attaching the ends securely, line? If line, how?
Brad
On 11/3/07, Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>
> John & Brad -
>
> Rather than carrying an extra boom, consider using
> your adjustable whisker pole or boat hook. The
> forces may be small enough to let it do the job of
> controling the foot of the sail and keeping it fulll.
>
> Every time I turn around, I find another use for my
> boat hook. It has a lot of extra rings, clips, etc...
>
> /Robert
> --------------------------------
> john Belanger wrote:
> >
> > brad,
> > being a flyer, you should be able to find some alumunum tubing and a
> pipe bender. why is the tube necessary? the jib is loose footed, only held
> at the clew. why a boom? i'v seen that boom on another type of
> boat....perhaps a one-design racer?
> >
> > Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> > PT,
> >
> > About once a month I find myself price checking Alerion 28's on
> > Yachtworld.com, and yup, they're still expensive. They have got to be
> the
> > sexiest and most graceful looking sail boats built. The single biggest
> > drawback for me is that they draw over four feet, nearly as much as
> mine.
> > My home sailing waters would double in size at three feet draft or less.
> If
> > I could figure out how to install a Hoyt Jib Boom on the S2 I would. I'm
> > thinking more along the lines of "Jed Clampet" engineering - cheap but
> > effective.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On 11/2/07, Peter Thorn
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > Self tacking jibs are pretty cool. You want easy tacking? Check these
> > > out-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://alerionexpress.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/ae20broadband
> > > .
> > > swf
> > >
> > > PT
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad Haslett
> > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:16 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
> > >
> > > Elle,
> > >
> > > Your $.02 worth may rule the day. After thinking about it some more
> I'm
> > > loathe to change the original sail plan. The only reason I or anyone
> else
> > > needs to stand while under sail is for me to get to the genoa
> > > winches. They
> > > are located forward of the wheel which means for every tack I have to
> > > leave
> > > the helm if the genny out while single-handing or short-handed, which
> is
> > > always. Since my home waters is a curving river, I have to tack often.
> > > What I've thought about is jury rigging some type of self-tending jib
> and
> > > furl the 135% jenny to 100% and live with the less than optimum sail
> shape
> > > (speed is not a primary concern). Anyone have a photo of Stan's that I
> > > can
> > > use to steal his intellectual property?
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > > On 10/31/07, elle wrote:
> > > >
> > > > my 2?
> > > > You could walk around on your knees...
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes short has it's advantages...;^)
> > > >
> > > > elle
> > > >
> > > > --- Brad Haslett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ok, boys and girls, put your thinking caps on!
> > > > > Here's the deal, the sails
> > > > > rep I've been visiting with has a 9.2C just like
> > > > > mine that he raised the
> > > > > boom 10 inches on for better headroom (mine is about
> > > > > 5' 11 1/8 inches above
> > > > > the cockpit which gives me 1/4 inch to play with
> > > > > versus getting whacked
> > > > > while standing up). He also shortened his boom
> > > > > length 21 inches which I
> > > > > really don't want to do. He says the boat handles
> > > > > better, has less weather
> > > > > helm, and the center of effort moves forward. Other
> > > > > than the obvious loss
> > > > > of sail area (less than 5% by my calculations) what
> > > > > can be anticipated in
> > > > > changes of handling characteristics? He (the rep)
> > > > > says it moves the center
> > > > > of effort forward and the boat is more stable based
> > > > > on his experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now this from Stan's site: *Lowering the boom,
> > > > > automatically lowers the sail
> > > > > inside the mast, which in turn lowers the center of
> > > > > effort of the sail,
> > > > > therefore increasing the stability of the boat
> > > > > without cutting sail area.
> > > > > In fact, boat speed actually increases slightly by
> > > > > lowering the boom.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Can we assume then that raising the boom will
> > > > > decrease stability and if so
> > > > > by what margin? What is your experience? Loss of
> > > > > speed is not an issue with
> > > > > me. Everytime I think about these things I get a
> > > > > headache. I'm sure Stan
> > > > > could answer this in about 2 seconds but I'm afraid
> > > > > he'd want a donation for
> > > > > his experience. That greed thing again. I'm hoping
> > > > > someone can think this
> > > > > through and give an informed opinion at a reasonable
> > > > > cost. Like free!
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > *
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our
> sails.
> > > >
> > > > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
> > > >
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:22:34 -0500
From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flying Video
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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Robert,
Must be fate. I haven't been upside down in at least 25 years. I stepped
outside the hangar this morning and the ex-husband of one of the best (and
best looking) female aerobatic pilots in the US was getting his airplane out
of the hangar. I walked down to help and he invited me along for a joy ride
in his North American AT-6 (1940's vintage). We went fall foliage
sightseeing with a couple of rolls along the way and some high speed passes
at a friends private airstrip. Now I remember why flying is so much fun but
I'm glad he was paying for the 40 gallons an hour at $4.80 per gallon the
AT-6 guzzles.
Brad
On 11/3/07, Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>
> Brad, no matter which eye you use I don't see
> how you can say, "Not much to look at."
>
> Those crisp rolls are beautiful. She makes it
> look like "No Svet!" She could lose the waving
> and no hands stuff, though.
>
> /Robert
> -----------------------------------------------
> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >
> > She's not much to look at but she sure can fly! Brad
> >
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=eKLaJDIoWfI
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flying Video
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looks pretty cute and can fly.
Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote: She's not much to look at but she sure can fly! Brad
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eKLaJDIoWfI
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:07:02 -0800 (PST)
From: bobmellor <rhmello at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flying Video
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brad
amazing vid... is that what you were going to do with me if the plane had
started?
bob m
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>
> She's not much to look at but she sure can fly! Brad
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:43:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Very Blustery Day!
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Hank,
Stan can give you the placement for the fairleads, the most important factor for sail effectiveness. I'm surprised they are not already there, cam cleats and all. The St. Pete show has been perfect! Stan asked me to be his demo boat, his being out of service, so Luis and I were his motley crew... Need I say more?
Art
-----Original Message-----
>From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 2, 2007 11:09 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Very Blustery Day!
>
>By re-sheeting, if you mean move to a different set of tracks, I currently
>have only one set. No inners for when furled to 100 or less. It's on my
>to-do list.
>
>Hank
>
>On 11/2/07, Arthur H. Czerwonky <czerwonky at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hank,
>> Yes, but try re-sheeting and see if it holds water - rather holds the
>> wind...
>> Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>> >Sent: Oct 31, 2007 9:43 AM
>> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Very Blustery Day!
>> >
>> >Lee,
>> >
>> >I think what Art is saying is that the 175 is too much sail in strong
>> winds
>> >and loses too much sail shape (Read efficiency) when furled to work well
>> in
>> >strong winds.
>> >
>> >Am I correct, Art?
>> >
>> >Hank
>> >
>> >
>> >On 10/31/07, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Art,
>> >>
>> >> Having sailed with you, I'll readily admit that you put the Art in the
>> >> art of seamanship. So explain to me the problem with the 175. Is it
>> >> that the sail shape spills too much wind at the foot? It just doesn't
>> >> seem like there would be a significant improvement with a furling 155
>> or
>> >> 135. If you run the genoa sheets on the deck or cabin top so the
>> >> shrouds don't get in the way, won't the foot of the 175 be just as
>> tight
>> >> as a smaller furling sail?
>> >>
>> >> I have more problems with the weight of the 175 in light winds, but
>> even
>> >> then the unfurled portion doesn't weigh any more than a smaller sail of
>> >> the same size.
>> >>
>> >> The biggest problem I have with the 175 is that I don't have enough
>> >> sense to reef it when the winds get too gusty, but scary is fun when
>> >> it's safe. Kind of like Halloween.
>> >>
>> >> Don't eat too much candy tonight--we both already have enough rail
>> meat!
>> >>
>> >> Lee
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Arthur H. Czerwonky [mailto:czerwonky at earthlink.net]
>> >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:11 PM
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Very Blustery Day!
>> >>
>> >> Hank,
>> >> There are more than a few of us that have brought up the tacking
>> >> difficulty in higher winds. More and more I am persuaded that the 175,
>> >> even well reefed, may not be as good a choice as a 155, even 135 as a
>> >> 'universal' sail.
>> >> Art
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>> >> >Sent: Oct 29, 2007 1:29 PM
>> >> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Very Blustery Day!
>> >> >
>> >> >Lee,
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm not surprised that the winds hit 30 because I really felt some
>> >> strong
>> >> >gusts out there. There was one point where I couldn't tack as the
>> >> waves
>> >> >slowed me down too much trying come across and I couldn't gybe because
>> >> >weather helm kept bringing me up. I finally had to release the Jib
>> >> some to
>> >> >let the wind pull me down onto a gybe. It certainly test my
>> seamanship
>> >> and
>> >> >sailing skills. Never felt out of control though and certainly have a
>> >> lot
>> >> >more confidence in the boat now.
>> >> >
>> >> >Hank
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On 10/29/07, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hank,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You da man! I checked the current wind condition on Weatherbug
>> >> yesterday
>> >> >> and it was over 30 mph. Half of me wanted to go out to improve my
>> >> heavy
>> >> >> wind sailing ability and half of me thought it would be more work
>> >> than
>> >> >> fun,
>> >> >> espcially getting in and out of the slip. The lazy half won as it
>> >> usually
>> >> >> does.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Instead of retiring to the couch next time, I'll call you for a pep
>> >> talk.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lee
>> >> >> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
>> >> >> Crab Alley (Kent Island, MD)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hank-5 wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Good Morning Rhodies,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Well, yesterday I took my two kids, Charlie (8) and Andrea (7),
>> out
>> >> for
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> > nice sail and the forecasted winds of 12-14 knots were more like
>> >> 20-25
>> >> >> > knots! Started off with the boom in the lower position and about
>> >> 75% of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > main and 75% of the Jib. A couple of buried rails later dropped
>> to
>> >> 50%
>> >> >> > main
>> >> >> > and 50% jib and then we were just fine. Had a great time although
>> >> a bit
>> >> >> > chilly, temps in the high 50s/low 60s, but the sun was out.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The kids had a great time although Andrea did freak out a little
>> >> when we
>> >> >> > buried the rail so far that water came over the coaming into the
>> >> >> cockpit!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Have a great day!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hank
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:47:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailboat electrics book
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Hank,
Given that you are such a highly charged skipper, just attach the red clip to the left ear lobe, black to the right. moisten the connectors first and you should be all set. Do tell your results .
Art
-----Original Message-----
>From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 2, 2007 11:10 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailboat electrics book
>
>But then I have to actually buy a battery and a method for charging it.
>Also on my to-do list.
>
>Hank
>
>On 11/2/07, Arthur H. Czerwonky <czerwonky at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hank,
>> Consider this electrifying concept - place your battery, get a cig lighter
>> 'clip on' connector to the posts, and install male ends on any equipment to
>> be used. I am using this on my bilge pump 'automatic' mode until I can fish
>> a wire to the mail panel. More equipment - use a Y connector. This
>> simplicity is good for peace of mind!
>> Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>> >Sent: Oct 31, 2007 8:35 AM
>> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailboat electrics book
>> >
>> >Actually, I have the book. However, I've always felt electronics in this
>> >size boat are a bit overrated. I'll get something going eventually, but
>> >since I only daysail right now, I can get by without any electrical need.
>> >
>> >Hank
>> >
>> >
>> >On 10/31/07, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hank,
>> >>
>> >> Then John L ought to send you the book! Sounds like you have an
>> immediate
>> >> need! Invite John B to help with the installation.
>> >>
>> >> In the meantime go here for more information:
>> >> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34409&highlight=wiring
>> >>
>> >> Ed K
>> >> Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> "It is the job that is never started that takes longest to finish."
>> J.R.R
>> >> .
>> >> Tolkien
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> john Belanger wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > i wouldn't mind having it. can i trade you for a sailing book?
>> >> >
>> >> > John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com> wrote: Hi folks,
>> >> >
>> >> > I seem to have acquired two copies of Don Casey's "Sailboat Electrics
>> >> > Simplified"
>> >> > (
>> >>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Sailboat-Electrics-Simplified-Don-Casey/dp/0070366497/
>> >> )
>> >> >
>> >> > Anybody want the extra?
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers!
>> >> >
>> >> > John Lock
>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> > s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> >> > Lake Sinclair, GA
>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:49:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Art about fix for deck joint at
rub rail.
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Rum,
So the red strip is just an insert? I'll get real good at this with your help and a Mt Gay and Diet Coke, emphasis on the latter!
Art
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Art about fix for deck joint at rub rail.
>
>Art,
>I replaced my rub rail after sixteen seasons. I wanted the newer style with
>the sexy red insert. I had no leakage problems.
>
>Rummy
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:51:54 EST
From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Art about fix for deck joint at
rub rail.
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Art,
The red strip is an insert. Remove it and you will have access to the screw
or pop rivets that hold it in place. Drill out the old pop rivets (if used)
and insert new ones after your repair.
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:55:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
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Slim,
I don't see a hole for the carrier pin to snap into except at 28 1/2". Does it just rest atop the Pop Top carrier?
Art
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 3, 2007 3:00 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
>
>Art,
>
>I put the boom down at about 13-15 if I'm going upwind. That's when it
>really counts. Going down wind it doesn't really matter. Try it sometime.
>The boat sails quite well with the lowered boom. The idea is to lower the
>center of effort so you can keep more sail cloth out instead of reefing in.
>Your idea of a midway point is certainly doable but with the infinite
>reefing capability of the main, two positions of the boom is adequate.
>
>Slim
>
>On 11/2/07, Arthur H. Czerwonky <czerwonky at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Slim,
>> Good thoughts - my question (never have used the lower boom position) - at
>> what wind velocity would the boom best be in the lower position? Also, if
>> creature comforts are too compromised at the lowest boom placement, why not
>> add an intermediate hole for the slide to click in, somewhere midway?
>> Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>> >Sent: Oct 31, 2007 1:57 PM
>> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
>> >
>> >Brad,
>> >
>> >First question, why do you want to change your sail plan? Is you boat
>> >handling poorly? Overpowered? Too much helm? When boat
>> builders/engineers
>> >come up with the specs for their boats, they've no doubt put in a lot of
>> >time researching and have not made their decisions hastily. With all due
>> >respect, what makes you think you know better? Is the rep's boat exactly
>> >like yours? His is just one opinion. Try to get a second opinion before
>> >any surgery.
>> >
>> >Next, if you have enough head room under the boom, even if it's just 1/4
>> >inch, why do you want to change it? Just don't stand on your tippy toes
>> >when tacking! Being able to raise and lower the boom on the R22 is great
>> >feature. Can you engineer yours so it can be adjustable? If not then I
>> >wouldn't monkey with it unless you have some serious handling issues.
>> >
>> >Yes, lowering the boom lowers the center of effort and reduces
>> heeling. And
>> >vice verse. But in light winds you want the higher center of effort. So
>> >the answer to your question is; It depends on the wind. I usually sail
>> >with the boom up but I wouldn't call it unstable, that is until the wind
>> >picks up to the point that I'm overpowered and then I make adjustments.
>> >
>> >Slim
>> >
>> >On 10/31/07, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok, boys and girls, put your thinking caps on! Here's the deal, the
>> sails
>> >> rep I've been visiting with has a 9.2C just like mine that he raised
>> the
>> >> boom 10 inches on for better headroom (mine is about 5' 11 1/8 inches
>> >> above
>> >> the cockpit which gives me 1/4 inch to play with versus getting whacked
>> >> while standing up). He also shortened his boom length 21 inches which
>> I
>> >> really don't want to do. He says the boat handles better, has less
>> >> weather
>> >> helm, and the center of effort moves forward. Other than the obvious
>> loss
>> >> of sail area (less than 5% by my calculations) what can be anticipated
>> in
>> >> changes of handling characteristics? He (the rep) says it moves the
>> center
>> >> of effort forward and the boat is more stable based on his experience.
>> >>
>> >> Now this from Stan's site: *Lowering the boom, automatically lowers the
>> >> sail
>> >> inside the mast, which in turn lowers the center of effort of the sail,
>> >> therefore increasing the stability of the boat without cutting sail
>> area.
>> >> In fact, boat speed actually increases slightly by lowering the boom.
>> >>
>> >> *Can we assume then that raising the boom will decrease stability and
>> if
>> >> so
>> >> by what margin? What is your experience? Loss of speed is not an issue
>> >> with
>> >> me. Everytime I think about these things I get a headache. I'm sure
>> Stan
>> >> could answer this in about 2 seconds but I'm afraid he'd want a
>> donation
>> >> for
>> >> his experience. That greed thing again. I'm hoping someone can think
>> >> this
>> >> through and give an informed opinion at a reasonable cost. Like free!
>> >>
>> >> Brad
>> >> *
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:57:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
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Rummy,
So true - tacking has been a breeze here in St Pete.
Art
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>
>Art,
>Slim makes a good point here. Until you have tried all of the various ways
>to adjust the sails and rigging, thinking about improving on what you have is a
> little silly. As everyone on the list knows, I have the 175 and love it.
>Being able to adjust sails for conditions is a real plus, especially since I
>don't have to change sails. The more you sail your boat the more proficient you
>will become at making the correct adjustments for conditions.
>Even coming about with the 175 in very little to no air becomes easier with
>practice. You don't have to furl it to bring it through. Putting plastic PVC
>on your shrouds and some effort on your part will bring it through smoothly.
>It is one great sail in light air. Practice, practice, practice.
>
>Rummy
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:02:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Just bent <j.bulfer at jbtek.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat position on the trailer
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took my wife sailing yesterday, first time since that little incident with
the motor falling into the water.
We had a great day. Got to try out the toilet, the solar panel, and the
little grill that clamps on the rail, they all worked very well. With the
boat off the trailer I was able to swap out that arm that pushes against the
bow. Mine was made out of wood & I think it was a little short. Now my boat
sits on the trailer with the back of the rear window over the center of the
wheel. I haven't checked the tounge weight yet but from what I can find in
the archives, that's about where it should be. I think.
Jbulfer
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:04:22 -0500
From: "Todd Tavares" <sprocket80 at mail.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replty to Ed about his reply to Art (very
pungent reply, others need not read)
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Calm down Ed.
Why all of this venom? Art was only asking a question not making a
recommendation. If you don't want to debate his idea, at least tell him
why (you think) it would be a waste of time and effort - as Rummy did.
And even then it would be your opinion. You do not have to get hostile.
Maybe you could begin all of your post(s) with a disclaimer of civility
for newbies who might think your attacks are the norm on this list.
What good would pictures or documentation be? Roger P. used to give us
advice based on his empirical, documented data and experience. He KNEW
what he was talking about hostility drove him off of this list.
Try to relax brother.
Todd T.
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From: Tootle
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re ply to Art about Sail Plan Changes and
Columbia 23 (very pungent reply, others need not read)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 05:58:48 -0700 (PDT)
Mr. Czerwonky:
Regarding the Columbia 23, there used to one among us who sold
columbia
boats. Imagine that? In his later life he bought a R22, imagine that?
Unfortunately he is sailing the wild blue...
Reread Slim's and Rummy's replies.
You said, "never have used the lower boom position". And then you
make a
recommendation to drill a new hole? "why not add an intermediate hole
for
the slide to click in, somewhere midway?" I recommend that you begin
all
your future post with a disclaimer of knowledge of the topic for the
benefit
of newbies who might think that your recommendations are based on
solid
information rather than ethereal speculation.
Rummy offered advice that you practice. You do not need high winds to
practice setting a Rhodes 22 mast to a lower position. You just need
to do
it.
Are all your posts with the same forethought and knowledge base?
And where are your pictures of Ron sailing? Where is the
documentation?
Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
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indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of
knowledge
- I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers? John Adams
R22RumRunner wrote:
>
> Art,
> Slim makes a good point here. Until you have tried all of the
> various ways to adjust the sails and rigging, thinking about
> improving on what you have
> is a little silly. As everyone on the list knows, I have the 175
> and love it. Being able to adjust sails for conditions is a real
> plus, especially
> since I don't have to change sails. The more you sail your boat the
more
> proficient you will become at making the correct adjustments for
conditions.
> Even coming about with the 175 in very little to no air becomes
easier
> with practice. You don't have to furl it to bring it through.
> Putting plastic
> PVC on your shrouds and some effort on your part will bring it
through
> smoothly. It is one great sail in light air. Practice, practice,
> practice. Rummy
>
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:12:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boat position on the trailer
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JB,
Damn nice pictures, and thanks! I have found the balancing a bit trickier with tandem axles, but have put the boat datum over the center of the wheel 'set'. Since the tandem will seek a balance point of its own, the tongue weight can vary, depending on how horizontal the underlying pavement is. And then is the issue of the hog I carry on the front. I'll post a picture of that sometime for disinterested Rhoadies.
Art
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>From: Just bent <j.bulfer at jbtek.com>
>Sent: Nov 4, 2007 10:02 AM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat position on the trailer
>
>
>took my wife sailing yesterday, first time since that little incident with
>the motor falling into the water.
>We had a great day. Got to try out the toilet, the solar panel, and the
>little grill that clamps on the rail, they all worked very well. With the
>boat off the trailer I was able to swap out that arm that pushes against the
>bow. Mine was made out of wood & I think it was a little short. Now my boat
>sits on the trailer with the back of the rear window over the center of the
>wheel. I haven't checked the tounge weight yet but from what I can find in
>the archives, that's about where it should be. I think.
>Jbulfer
>Just bent
>
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:26:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replty to Ed about his reply to Art (very
pungent reply, others need not read)
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Todd,
Good point about Roger, with whom I now swap ideas, but off this list. Too many are missing out because he isn't with us here.
Now, I recall we had a toy poodle when I was a just a little child, and this critter had 'mounting dysfunction' (MD). This created many very stressful experiences for the pup until we honored him with a small stepstool. Ergo, he lived happily ever after. Now we, for the sake of our corporate attitude, need to brainstorm for a viable solution for Ed, because we really like this guy. Any ideas?
BTW, does Ed wear a topknot, Rummy?
Art
-----Original Message-----
>From: Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>Sent: Nov 4, 2007 10:04 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replty to Ed about his reply to Art (very pungent reply, others need not read)
>
>Calm down Ed.
>
>Why all of this venom? Art was only asking a question not making a
>recommendation. If you don't want to debate his idea, at least tell him
>why (you think) it would be a waste of time and effort - as Rummy did.
>And even then it would be your opinion. You do not have to get hostile.
>Maybe you could begin all of your post(s) with a disclaimer of civility
>for newbies who might think your attacks are the norm on this list.
>
> What good would pictures or documentation be? Roger P. used to give us
>advice based on his empirical, documented data and experience. He KNEW
>what he was talking about hostility drove him off of this list.
>
>Try to relax brother.
>
> Todd T.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tootle
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re ply to Art about Sail Plan Changes and
> Columbia 23 (very pungent reply, others need not read)
> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 05:58:48 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
> Mr. Czerwonky:
>
> Regarding the Columbia 23, there used to one among us who sold
> columbia
> boats. Imagine that? In his later life he bought a R22, imagine that?
> Unfortunately he is sailing the wild blue...
>
> Reread Slim's and Rummy's replies.
>
> You said, "never have used the lower boom position". And then you
> make a
> recommendation to drill a new hole? "why not add an intermediate hole
> for
> the slide to click in, somewhere midway?" I recommend that you begin
> all
> your future post with a disclaimer of knowledge of the topic for the
> benefit
> of newbies who might think that your recommendations are based on
> solid
> information rather than ethereal speculation.
>
> Rummy offered advice that you practice. You do not need high winds to
> practice setting a Rhodes 22 mast to a lower position. You just need
> to do
> it.
>
> Are all your posts with the same forethought and knowledge base?
>
> And where are your pictures of Ron sailing? Where is the
> documentation?
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> addendum: "The people have a right, an indisputable, unalienable,
> indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of
> knowledge
> - I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers? John Adams
>
>
>
>
>
> R22RumRunner wrote:
> >
> > Art,
> > Slim makes a good point here. Until you have tried all of the
> > various ways to adjust the sails and rigging, thinking about
> > improving on what you have
> > is a little silly. As everyone on the list knows, I have the 175
> > and love it. Being able to adjust sails for conditions is a real
> > plus, especially
> > since I don't have to change sails. The more you sail your boat the
> more
> > proficient you will become at making the correct adjustments for
> conditions.
> > Even coming about with the 175 in very little to no air becomes
> easier
> > with practice. You don't have to furl it to bring it through.
> > Putting plastic
> > PVC on your shrouds and some effort on your part will bring it
> through
> > smoothly. It is one great sail in light air. Practice, practice,
> > practice. Rummy
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:40:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
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PT,
I never have tried flying two headsails at the same time. Any snaps? I have been curious how the boat might do as in a cutter rig, jib and Genny on the same side and on a reach. Two projects away I want to rig a foot in back of the furling drum for a second 'temporary' forestay and a hank-on smaller jib. Actually it might just be unnecessarily redundant, although with better ability to point.
Really hope we can put some Rhoadies together in Oriental next Fall!
Art
-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>Sent: Nov 3, 2007 9:58 AM
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
>
>Mary Lou,
>
>Have you tried winging the UPS and the 175 together downwind? Which one do
>you connect to pole?
>
>Nice references on the STJ. Library science rules!
>
>PT
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:37 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
>
>Rummy,
>Do you ever get light air and waves? That's where we have the most
>probelms with the 175 and where the UPS sail has made a big
>difference for us. It refills a lot quicker once the air has been
>knocked out of it by a wake. Also great way off the wind when the
>genoa would almost blanketed by the main.
>
>Mary Lou
>
>
>At 08:25 AM 11/3/2007, you wrote:
>>Art,
>>Slim makes a good point here. Until you have tried all of the various ways
>>to adjust the sails and rigging, thinking about improving on what
>>you have is a
>> little silly. As everyone on the list knows, I have the 175 and love it.
>>Being able to adjust sails for conditions is a real plus, especially since
>I
>>don't have to change sails. The more you sail your boat the more
>>proficient you
>>will become at making the correct adjustments for conditions.
>>Even coming about with the 175 in very little to no air becomes easier with
>>practice. You don't have to furl it to bring it through. Putting plastic
>PVC
>>on your shrouds and some effort on your part will bring it through
>smoothly.
>>It is one great sail in light air. Practice, practice, practice.
>>
>>Rummy
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:45:01 EST
From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replty to Ed about his reply to Art (very
pungent reply, ...
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All,
Ed's just wound a little tighter than the rest of us. I think it has
something to do with his not drinking alcohol..........of any kind.
Rummy
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:47:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes, Brother Brad look
here!
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All,
Has anyone seen the GB self-tending rig? When asked in St Pete, he replied only that there was never much interest. For heavier wind or in racing type mode, this should be a natural. I am working on a ST rig and it looks mighty simple. I wonder if it needs to be adjustable for more or less travel? I suspect unnecessary.
Art
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>Sent: Nov 2, 2007 6:29 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes, Brother Brad look here!
>
>
>Brother Brad:
>
>You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
>And Mary Lou also.
>
>There is an expert on self tending jibs among us! All he asks if a few
>shekels. Look here:
>
>http://www.rhodes22.com/selfjib.html
>
>How could you guys be so crass and forget this... You should walk the
>plank...
>
>Ed K
>Greenville, SC, USA
>http://beej.us/pirates/punish.html
>
>
>
>
>Robert Skinner wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the references, Mary Lou!
>> Very interesting.
>>
>> /Robert
>>
>> Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>>
>>> Brad,
>>> Maybe this is more along your thought lines:
>>>
>>> http://www.frankhagan.com/weekender/tendjib.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.harken.com/rigtips/selftack.php
>>>
>>> http://www.bwsailing.com/01articles/issue/0307/bwb_hanse_400.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=0.8&TOPIC_ID=15673?
>>>
>>> And for an exceptionally interesting 23 foot boat
>>> take a look at this Hunter (UK) complete with self tacking jib.
>>> http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/hunter-horizon-23/hunter-horizon-23.htm
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Mary Lou
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