[Rhodes22-list] Michael Meltzer & Herb - Masthead lights (anchor & steaming) - Question and clar

Thu Apr 17 07:32:41 EDT 2008

Herb is being a little "picky", the card is a composite for the written CG
regs, The real CG looks like IRS tax code(ever thing is a section referring
other sections) and covers  seaplanes to a super tanker not under command,
there are a lot of light groups :-).

That said herb: the card is close enough for what most recognition boaters
need to know.

-mjm

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:06 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Michael Meltzer & Herb - Masthead lights
(anchor & steaming) - Question and clar

Herb,

What exactly do you mean by your comment: "it's still a recap of the 
'official regs'"?  USCGBoating.org is an official CG site (Registrant:US 
Coast Guard, Office of Boating Safety) and it contains the federal and state

regs.  In addition, it contains illustrations that graphically represent the

regs that have been reviewed by the CG.  It is most certainly better than 
"some guy on the internet."

Whenever possible, I appreciate a "primary" information source.

Mike
s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
       Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008

3:31 PM
> Gotcha. However, you DO realize that's not the regs. It's a better
> source for an interpretation of the regs than "some guy on the
> internet", but it's still a recap of the "official regs".
>
> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Herb,
>>
>> It isn't that you stated anything wrong, it is simply the original USCG
>> source of the information in a somewhat easier to read and understand 
>> format
>> (including pictures.)
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 
>> 2008
>> 2:12 PM
>>
>>> What part of that did I state incorrectly? Looks like the page (which is
>>> a recap of the original regs) says different than what I stated?
>>>
>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb, Bob, etc.,
>>>>
>>>> Please read rules on USCG site:
>>>> http://www.uscgboating.org/SAFETY/fedreqs/equ_nav.htm
>>>> This page is very easy to read and understand.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, April 15,
>>>> 2008
>>>> 10:41 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry Bob, but I think you mis-read the regs.
>>>>>
>>>>> A sailboat under power is a powerboat.
>>>>>
>>>>> A powerboat between 12 meters and 20 meters has to display a separate
>>>>> stern light (90 degrees, 45 degrees each direction) and steaming light
>>>>> (270 degrees, 135 each direction)
>>>>>
>>>>> A sailboat between 7 meters and 20 meters can use a single 360 degree
>>>>> light as a combination steaming/stern light.
>>>>>
>>>>> A sailboat under 7 meters (the Rhodes 22 fits that) can use a 
>>>>> flashlight
>>>>> shining on the sail as your steaming light, but how un-cool is THAT?
>>>>>
>>>>> However, if it's under power, it's a powerboat. If it's a powerboat, 
>>>>> it
>>>>> has to have a steaming light.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Keller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>> I think the 360 as an anchor light is required but the 360 as a
>>>>>> steaming
>>>>>> light is optional/overkill.  The R-22 only needs the port, starboard
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> stern lights while underway, doesn't need anything on the mast... 
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> CG
>>>>>> link confirmed that.  Of course, the rules might be different on Lake
>>>>>> Hartwell since even Y-valves are not allowed there.
>>>>>> Bob K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:38:02 -0700> From: ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Michael Meltzer

>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>> Herb - Masthead lights (anchor & steaming) - Question and
>>>>>>> clarification>
>>>>>>>  > > Bob Keller and Dana...> > Michael Meltzer is our resident 
>>>>>>> expert
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> what is legal regarding lights. > So 'USCG Captain' Meltzer what are
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> correct answers to Bob and Dana's> questions?> > This much I know, 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> lighting pattern is different for different length> boats. Why? so
>>>>>>> knowledgeable 'Captains' can tell what kind of boat it is. > Herb,
>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>> that a question for the 'Captain's' exam.> > As to Anchor light 
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> visible on a 22 foot boat for 360 degrees, I do not> think that it 
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> to be a single light. On the R22 there is a light on the> 'stern' 
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> added to the light up the mast, together they qualify as 360> 
>>>>>>> degrees
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> white light. Is that how the R22 is legal? I suspect that Stan> just
>>>>>>> might know what qualifies as legal lights.> > Now Bob K. has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> t
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  o find out if his 360 degrees of masthead light on a 22 foot> boat
>>>>>> screws up the Coast Guard's intent in lighting( I already know the>
>>>>>> correct answer, but does he?). The Coast Guard does publish a small
>>>>>> booklet> on lighting, just do not know where my copy is quickly. 
>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> believe> these questions are answered in 'Chapman's'. When I find my
>>>>>> copies, I will> seek yea answers. This is comes up every so often on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> forum so the> answers are probably in the archives. > > Ed K>
>>>>>> Greenville,
>>>>>> SC, USA> attachment for Slim:> >
>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p16656988/approve.gif approve.gif > > > > 
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> there, I bought an 87 R22 last year and absolutely love it. I'm>
>>>>>> currently working on getting it ready for the season. The mast is 
>>>>>> wired
>>>>>> for> an anchor light, but whatever was there must have busted off
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> I got> the boat. There is also a light fixture facing forward about a
>>>>>> foot from> the top of the mast, but it wasn't working last year
>>>>>> either.>
>>>>>>  > I have two questions:> > 1. The an
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  or light and steaming are separate lights, right? My> understanding 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> that an anchor light has to be visible from all directions,> and the
>>>>>> steaming light is the light facing forward that must be on when>
>>>>>> motoring.> > 2. Any recommendations on new lighting? Is there a
>>>>>> combined
>>>>>> LED light that> will serve both purposes?> > Thanks,> Dana> > > >
>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p16656988/approve.gif approve.gif > -- >
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