[Rhodes22-list] U.S. medical system leading cause of death - comment to Peter

[Hank]

Pete,

An article at this site puts it at 195,000 per year.  Quite a large
difference.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php

Hank


On 4/24/08, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> No sir. You are absolutely 100% incorrect. This is based on statistical
> evidence. I won't do your research for you. Just google 'us medical system
> number one cause of deaths'.  It's a tough pill to swallow. (pun intended).
>
> "New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans
> have been subjected to injury and death by medical errors. The results of
> seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA
> now show that medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury
> in
> the United States. According to the NIA's report, over 784,000 people die
> annually due to medical mistakes. Comparatively, the 2001 annual death rate
> for heart disease was 699,697 and the annual death rate for cancer was
> 553,251."
>
>
>
> Tootle wrote:
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > When making such statements, please post citations and references.
> >
> > I would suggest that your citations will come from the media which goes
> > out of its way to cause controversy to drum up business.
> >
> > Medical mistakes do occur, but having spent many years in several
> > hospitals; I would say your statement is not accurate.  Especially when
> > compared to medical care around the world.  Yes, I have personally
> > inspected health care in a 3rd world country.
> >
> > I would rather suggest that you consider that people doing 'stupid'
> things
> > is the leading cause of death.  That would include reckless driving, no
> > life preservers while boating, smoking, excessive alcohol, excessive and
> > recreational drugs, suicide, believing the national media that the world
> > is ending, believing the national media that all is negative...
> >
> > Again, like many others, the national media has created a herd sheep
> > mentality...  Remember, that man was not created to live forever.  That
> > disease and pestilence are our lot.  Take each hour given you, do your
> > best and enjoy it.
> >
> > In the meantime, remember that physicians use available science to fix a
> > problem and get people going a few hours longer.  They are not 'God'.
> >
> > However, they can be stifled by bureaucratic controlled systems.  They
> can
> > be stifled by socialism.  Socialism kills human initiative.  Doctors are
> > only human, and their initiative and imagination can be debilitated
> > fighting socialistic controlled systems.
> >
> > Ed K
> > Greenville, SC, USA
> > "Every great advancement in science has issued from a new audacity of
> > imagination." John Dewey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > petelargo wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for your post. You will see plenty scare tactic e-mails and 'BOO'
> >> blogs on this in the upcoming months. Most will be nonsense.  By what
> >> measure is the current health care system so great if right now the
> >> health care system itself in the united states is the leading cause of
> >> death? Somethings wrong and I mean big time.
> >>
> >>
> >> Lynn Hoffman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I noticed in one of the recent diatribes, a letter from someone who
> >>> claimed
> >>> that socialism killed his parents. There's a lot to be said about
> >>> that letter, but
> >>> I think I'll just comment on the claim that there are only three
> >>> oncologists in Montreal.
> >>> Unfortunately, I've come to know a little bit about oncologists and
> >>> where to
> >>> find 'em. Here's the medical roster of the oncology department at one
> >>> hospital there. (McGill)
> >>>
> >>> Dr Gerald Batist - Chair
> >>> Penny Chipman, Manager, Clinical Research Program
> >>> Fran Ezzy-Jorgensen, Administrative Officer, Department of Oncology
> >>> Dr Eduardo Franco - Cancer Division of Epidemiology
> >>> Dr Carolyn Freeman - Division of Radiation Oncology
> >>> Dr. Thomas Jagoe - Cancer Nutrition-Rehabilitation Program
> >>> Dr Petr Kavan - Adolescent and Young Adult Oncology Program
> >>> Dr Carmen Loiselle - Oncology Nursing
> >>> Dr Richard Margolese - Oncology Department, JGH
> >>> Dr Catalin Mihalcioiu - Division of Medical Oncology
> >>> Dr Wilson Miller - Clinical Research Program
> >>> Dr Lawrence Panasci - Division of Medical Oncology
> >>> Dr Michael Pollack - Cancer Prevention Program
> >>> Dr Jaroslav Prchal - Community Oncology Program
> >>> Dr Zeev Rosberger - Psychosocial Oncology Program
> >>> Dr Jeremy Sturgeon - Oncology Department, MUHC
> >>> Dr Simon Tanguay - Prostate Cancer Program
> >>> Dr Marc Tischkowitz - Cancer Genetics Program
> >>> Dr Anna Towers - Palliative Care
> >>> Dr Michel Tremblay - Basic Cancer Research
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So the guy who wrote that is a patent liar. The sad thing is that
> >>> many people will read that and remember something about how
> >>> 'socialized medicine killed somebody and ain't it a shame?' The good
> >>> news is that this crap is the best they got and maybe we'll get
> >>> somewhere with health care when people know the facts.
> >>>
> >>> Lynn
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Lynn Hoffman is the author of bang BANG, a novel about a woman who
> >>> uses some unusual weapons to tackle the gun culture in Philadelphia.
> >>>
> >>> He is also the author of  The New Short Course in Wine from
> >>> PrenticeHall.
> >>>
> >>> More? want to read rave reviews? an excerpt?
> >>>
> >>> http://www.kunati.com
> >>>
> >>> You can read more and order a copy of bang-BANG from:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1601640005
> >>>
> >>> or from your local bookseller.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you're looking for great wines for less than $US20, get the latest
> >>> finds at http://shortcourseinwine.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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