[Rhodes22-list] communication style
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Wed Apr 30 13:19:19 EDT 2008
Sorry Pete, but I hope Ed ignores that bit of advice.
While there's little doubt that the communication skills could use
improvement, lying to your face is not "communicating". It may make you
FEEL good, but it's not really communicating.
petelargo wrote:
> You could learn pretty easy by watching the Obama speaking style. He
> communicates without being condescending on the one end and without
> pandering on the other. If you wear your flag-pin while watching him you
> cannot catch any socialist 'cooties'. Good luck.
>
>
> Hank-5 wrote:
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> The message you deliver to folks is usually good. However, your method
>> for
>> delivery could use some (a lot?) work. You often use a condescending tone
>> and say things in a way that makes people feel they are being attacked.
>> You
>> could have easily said the same thing to Chris in a different manner and
>> he
>> would have come back and thanked you for being so helpful.
>>
>> You are always asking people to think about different things, so why don't
>> you ponder this. If many on this list talk about your difficulties in
>> communication why don't you do some research on the internet on better
>> methods for phrasing a communication.
>>
>> Have a great day,
>>
>> Hank
>>
>> On 4/30/08, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Chet said, "lighten up on a newbie, eh?;-)"
>>>
>>> What is that old saying about give a man a fish, you feed him for a day,
>>> teach him to fish and you feed him for life…
>>>
>>> If we gave you the quick answer, how long would you remember it? Several
>>> list members have pointed out that they do not have the hoist system.
>>> One
>>> even has the IMF and defends not having one. Others have given you good
>>> reason to bite the bullet and have it. As I said previously, how much is
>>> your personal safety worth? And as pointed out by some, it offers
>>> greater
>>> utility for using a Rhodes 22.
>>>
>>> You said that you searched the archives? What computer operating system
>>> do
>>> you use? Does it allow for favorites? Or keep a memory of web sites for
>>> fast access? Have you diligently saved the tools given you in the
>>> various
>>> posts so as to find answers to issues quickly?
>>>
>>> Michael W.'s post gives more specific tools. Do you read other seemingly
>>> non related post on the list? For example, you want detailed
>>> instructions.
>>> If you read a post,
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-April/050064.html,
>>> you just might begin to get the idea that all the details are just not
>>> written yet. Stan does not have a staff devoted to writing step by step
>>> instructions. However, some instructions have been written and posted
>>> over
>>> the years by Rhodies. Then those instructions have been embellished by
>>> other Rhodies. An illustration is that somewhere in the archives,
>>> Captain
>>> Alm has written an excellent set of instructions for raising and lowering
>>> the mast. It was followed by detailed comments on different steps or
>>> various equipment by others.
>>>
>>> Various equipment? What? Stan's mast raising systems are a work in
>>> progress. Just like the Rhodes 22, the boat. He has used many
>>> variations
>>> of raising the mast. The instructions for different systems just might
>>> be
>>> different? Did you notice his latest version? Electric? Does it rise
>>> out
>>> of the foredeck like a periscope? Does it have a robotic arm that grabs
>>> the
>>> mast and sets it upright? Did you see the pictures?
>>>
>>> The new guy Mike C is going to try to write a history. The question is
>>> can
>>> he write fast enough to keep up with Stan?
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>
>>>
>>> we now have an electric model
>>>
>>> ss
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chet, you seem to be an O.K. guy, but...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Chet, I think I remember the mast crane as a $750 option. I didn't
>>>> buy it and in hind sight I should have.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:06 PM, andrew collins <engineerpac at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chet
>>>>>
>>>>> Take the good, ignore the bad. Ed is of his meds.
>>>>>
>>>>> The GB mast crane is great, it lets you work slowly and without
>>>>>
>>> stress.
>>>
>>>>> The
>>>>> wiinch has a built-in brake, so you can stop anytime. Unless you have
>>>>> reliable helpers, it is a necessity. Around here all the helpers
>>>>>
>>> either
>>>
>>>>> drink beer or have family obligations or something. It is a little bit
>>>>> dear,
>>>>> but having people stop and gape while you do it solo is priceless
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew C
>>>>>
>>>>> s/v Carmen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/29/08, chetc <cclocksin at buckeye-express.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Ed,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate all of the opinions and advice you and others have
>>>>>> offered,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I think I detect a bit of a condescending tone to your reply. :-/Yes
>>>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> seen pictures of various mast raising systems, but I have not seen
>>>>>> anything
>>>>>> from general Boats that is advertised as a mast crane, with a
>>>>>>
>>> picture
>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> price. Maybe there is a "secret" catalog for parts and accessories
>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Rhodes 22. It is possible that I could have somehow missed it in my
>>>>>> HOURS
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> searching this site, Google, ask.com and others, so please forgive
>>>>>> me.:confused:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you recall, my original question was whether or not the system
>>>>>> described
>>>>>> in the literature THAT I FOUND IN THE ARCHIVES worked with the
>>>>>>
>>> IMF...so
>>>
>>>>>> YES,
>>>>>> I did take the time to study the home page. Did you ever think that
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> new to the list might not be able to find their way around as
>>>>>>
>>> quickly
>>>
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> someone who has been using it for years? Or, heaven forbid, an
>>>>>> experienced
>>>>>> Rhodie might save a new guy some time and trouble without the high
>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>> mighty attitude?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I guess I would say the same thing...you seem like an O.K. guy,
>>>>>> but...lighten up on a newbie, eh?;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chet,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said about mast raising on rhodes 22, "One of these days I may
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> invest
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in this so-called "mast crane", but I haven't even seen a picture
>>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> let alone a price."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price should never be an issue when personal safety is at stake.
>>>>>>> Want
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see some pictures? There are many pictures posted in the
>>>>>>>
>>> archives.
>>>
>>>>>>> There are others just waiting for you by looking:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.sailingtexas.com/Movies/Rhodes22c/srhodes22c.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and: http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/tech.html (have you taken
>>>>>>>
>>> time
>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> study the home page of this web site? and all that is contained
>>>>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> pages?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And a diligent search of the archives will find many pictures
>>>>>>>
>>> posted
>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Rhodies raising or lowering their mast. Such as:
>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/4531/Dec%2006%20Red%20Rhodes%20005.jpg
>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/4532/Dec%2006%20Red%20Rhodes%20009.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> http://www.nabble.com/Chet%2C-you-seem-to-be-an-O.K.-guy%2C-but...-tp16973745p16974069.html
>>>
>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Bradley
>>>> +1.206.234.3977
>>>> dwbrad at gmail.com
>>>>
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