[Rhodes22-list] communication style
petelargo
petelauritzen at earthlink.net
Wed Apr 30 16:08:28 EDT 2008
I'm sure that you are mighty thankful for the 'double talk' express.
hparsons wrote:
>
> Sorry Pete, but I hope Ed ignores that bit of advice.
>
> While there's little doubt that the communication skills could use
> improvement, lying to your face is not "communicating". It may make you
> FEEL good, but it's not really communicating.
>
> petelargo wrote:
>> You could learn pretty easy by watching the Obama speaking style. He
>> communicates without being condescending on the one end and without
>> pandering on the other. If you wear your flag-pin while watching him you
>> cannot catch any socialist 'cooties'. Good luck.
>>
>>
>> Hank-5 wrote:
>>
>>> Ed,
>>>
>>> The message you deliver to folks is usually good. However, your method
>>> for
>>> delivery could use some (a lot?) work. You often use a condescending
>>> tone
>>> and say things in a way that makes people feel they are being attacked.
>>> You
>>> could have easily said the same thing to Chris in a different manner and
>>> he
>>> would have come back and thanked you for being so helpful.
>>>
>>> You are always asking people to think about different things, so why
>>> don't
>>> you ponder this. If many on this list talk about your difficulties in
>>> communication why don't you do some research on the internet on better
>>> methods for phrasing a communication.
>>>
>>> Have a great day,
>>>
>>> Hank
>>>
>>> On 4/30/08, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chet said, "lighten up on a newbie, eh?;-)"
>>>>
>>>> What is that old saying about give a man a fish, you feed him for a
>>>> day,
>>>> teach him to fish and you feed him for life…
>>>>
>>>> If we gave you the quick answer, how long would you remember it?
>>>> Several
>>>> list members have pointed out that they do not have the hoist system.
>>>> One
>>>> even has the IMF and defends not having one. Others have given you
>>>> good
>>>> reason to bite the bullet and have it. As I said previously, how much
>>>> is
>>>> your personal safety worth? And as pointed out by some, it offers
>>>> greater
>>>> utility for using a Rhodes 22.
>>>>
>>>> You said that you searched the archives? What computer operating
>>>> system
>>>> do
>>>> you use? Does it allow for favorites? Or keep a memory of web sites
>>>> for
>>>> fast access? Have you diligently saved the tools given you in the
>>>> various
>>>> posts so as to find answers to issues quickly?
>>>>
>>>> Michael W.'s post gives more specific tools. Do you read other
>>>> seemingly
>>>> non related post on the list? For example, you want detailed
>>>> instructions.
>>>> If you read a post,
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-April/050064.html,
>>>> you just might begin to get the idea that all the details are just not
>>>> written yet. Stan does not have a staff devoted to writing step by
>>>> step
>>>> instructions. However, some instructions have been written and posted
>>>> over
>>>> the years by Rhodies. Then those instructions have been embellished by
>>>> other Rhodies. An illustration is that somewhere in the archives,
>>>> Captain
>>>> Alm has written an excellent set of instructions for raising and
>>>> lowering
>>>> the mast. It was followed by detailed comments on different steps or
>>>> various equipment by others.
>>>>
>>>> Various equipment? What? Stan's mast raising systems are a work in
>>>> progress. Just like the Rhodes 22, the boat. He has used many
>>>> variations
>>>> of raising the mast. The instructions for different systems just might
>>>> be
>>>> different? Did you notice his latest version? Electric? Does it rise
>>>> out
>>>> of the foredeck like a periscope? Does it have a robotic arm that
>>>> grabs
>>>> the
>>>> mast and sets it upright? Did you see the pictures?
>>>>
>>>> The new guy Mike C is going to try to write a history. The question is
>>>> can
>>>> he write fast enough to keep up with Stan?
>>>>
>>>> Ed K
>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> we now have an electric model
>>>>
>>>> ss
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:45 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chet, you seem to be an O.K. guy, but...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Chet, I think I remember the mast crane as a $750 option. I didn't
>>>>> buy it and in hind sight I should have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:06 PM, andrew collins
>>>>> <engineerpac at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take the good, ignore the bad. Ed is of his meds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The GB mast crane is great, it lets you work slowly and without
>>>>>>
>>>> stress.
>>>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> wiinch has a built-in brake, so you can stop anytime. Unless you have
>>>>>> reliable helpers, it is a necessity. Around here all the helpers
>>>>>>
>>>> either
>>>>
>>>>>> drink beer or have family obligations or something. It is a little
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>> dear,
>>>>>> but having people stop and gape while you do it solo is priceless
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> s/v Carmen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/29/08, chetc <cclocksin at buckeye-express.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Ed,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate all of the opinions and advice you and others have
>>>>>>> offered,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> I think I detect a bit of a condescending tone to your reply. :-/Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> seen pictures of various mast raising systems, but I have not seen
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> from general Boats that is advertised as a mast crane, with a
>>>>>>>
>>>> picture
>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> price. Maybe there is a "secret" catalog for parts and accessories
>>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Rhodes 22. It is possible that I could have somehow missed it in my
>>>>>>> HOURS
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> searching this site, Google, ask.com and others, so please forgive
>>>>>>> me.:confused:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you recall, my original question was whether or not the system
>>>>>>> described
>>>>>>> in the literature THAT I FOUND IN THE ARCHIVES worked with the
>>>>>>>
>>>> IMF...so
>>>>
>>>>>>> YES,
>>>>>>> I did take the time to study the home page. Did you ever think that
>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>> new to the list might not be able to find their way around as
>>>>>>>
>>>> quickly
>>>>
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> someone who has been using it for years? Or, heaven forbid, an
>>>>>>> experienced
>>>>>>> Rhodie might save a new guy some time and trouble without the high
>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>> mighty attitude?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I guess I would say the same thing...you seem like an O.K. guy,
>>>>>>> but...lighten up on a newbie, eh?;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chet,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You said about mast raising on rhodes 22, "One of these days I may
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> invest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in this so-called "mast crane", but I haven't even seen a picture
>>>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>> let alone a price."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Price should never be an issue when personal safety is at stake.
>>>>>>>> Want
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see some pictures? There are many pictures posted in the
>>>>>>>>
>>>> archives.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are others just waiting for you by looking:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.sailingtexas.com/Movies/Rhodes22c/srhodes22c.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and: http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/tech.html (have you taken
>>>>>>>>
>>>> time
>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> study the home page of this web site? and all that is contained
>>>>>>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> pages?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And a diligent search of the archives will find many pictures
>>>>>>>>
>>>> posted
>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Rhodies raising or lowering their mast. Such as:
>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/4531/Dec%2006%20Red%20Rhodes%20005.jpg
>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/4532/Dec%2006%20Red%20Rhodes%20009.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> David Bradley
>>>>> +1.206.234.3977
>>>>> dwbrad at gmail.com
>>>>>
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