[Rhodes22-list] pls take me off your list.

Wed Aug 13 17:54:03 EDT 2008

Lee,

Take a look at the date stamp of the original email that "jhn ldrs" is 
replying to!  Stan sent that last year, Aug 7, 2007!  I checked the archives 
at http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2007-August/043260.html 
just to be sure.

Some things just go round and round ...

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:37 
PM
>
> Stan,
>
> Legalize drugs and quit importing oil?  Well that's downright
> un-American!
>
> Prohibition didn't work.  Alcohol, nicotine, caffeine,
> over-and-under-the-counter drugs, soda pop, Big Macs and lots of other
> bad things that we put in our bodies ARE legal.  Illegal drugs could
> certainly help lead to the demise of our society but our youth is
> probably spending more time watching reality shows, which must have a
> more damaging effect than drugs.  When you look at the fall of other
> empires, drug-use wasn't the culprit.  If we take the millions of
> dollars used to finance the war on drugs (including related prison
> costs), we could launch massive educational anti-drug campaigns to
> convince kids that drugs aren't worth it, or pay children a monthly
> increasing stipend if their urine is clean.  Just making drugs
> unprofitable for criminals would probably take care of the problem.  How
> many liquor bootleggers do you know north of the Mason-Dixon line?
>
> Everyone agrees we should reduce/eliminate our dependence on foreign oil
> and lots of experts have plans on how to do it.  I'm not quite sure why
> we aren't aggresively pursuing other alternatives.  I think it may be
> that too many rich Americans are making too much money importing oil, or
> it may just be that the alternatives are too much work and require too
> much sacrifice.  I must admit that I'm awfully lazy and have done little
> to reduce my imprint, aside from owning a sailboat.
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jhn ldrs [mailto:jhnldrs at yahoo.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:55 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pls take me off your list.
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 8/7/07, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> From: stan <stan at rhodes22.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Which list is this.
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Received: Tuesday, August 7, 2007, 11:53 AM
>
> OK, I can't allow losing Rummy, so here goes.
>
> I told you guys I had a response to Brad's view that if no one knows how
> to
>
> solve our current mess, at least stop whining.  But no one showed
> interest
> so I kept my secret "Nixon" plan to myself.  Ah, now that Rummy is
> curious,
> here it is.
>
> What fuels the terrorists:
>
> My guess is drugs and oil money   (or course our being there probably
> does
> too but I won't start a war with that view just now)
>
> The drug money cure is easy;  join me and Bill Buckley and make drugs
> legal.
> (Alcohol and tobacco and all the drug company drugs are already legal in
>
> this country so what's the big deal - just do it)  So what if this step
> does
> not completely shut off their funds if it helps cut down their ability
> to
> buy some arms and politicians.  It saves some lives and that is better
> than
> saving none.
>
> Oil is another major source of funding for the religious nuts.  We
> import
> oil, no matter what the price.  The overseas producers make huge profits
> so
> they can afford to be generous with our enemy.   We simply have to stop
> importing oil.  If we become good at this, others will follow, except
> Brazil, who are already there.
>
> Now Brad and others are going to make the correct argument that
> alternate
> ways of getting energy are not efficient (wind, solar, ethanol, hydro,
> etc.)
> and expanding our own oil reserves and atomic energy have down sides.
> But
> that is missing the point.   (When I was a few years shy of the draft,
> our
> country was taking down the Third Avenue El and sending its steel to
> Japan
> who obligingly converted it to bombs for my less fortunate young
> friends.)
>
> Efficiency, even environmental issues, should be back burner
> considerations
> if we are weighing life and the huge costs of wars we simply cannot win
> with
> the intelligence we currently have.  Meantime the intelligence we do
> have
> will come up with a US master minded energy fix if we seed such programs
>
> with part of the money we are pissing away hitting our heads against a
> composite stone wall.  Besides, when I hear the argument that says
> making
> ethanol is not efficient, I wonder, is going to war to protect our oil
> interests more efficient?
>
> Nixon was correct when he said we should be 100% oil import free by 1986
> -
> he just did not have the smarts or maybe it was the strength to overcome
> the
> lobby influences, to make it happen.
>
> Today we can make it happen - although we still have the lobbyists to
> contend with and congressional Democrats have shown themselves, at least
> so
> far,  not to be up to that problem.  Did any one catch the 60 Minute
> segment
> a few weeks ago about the all night session to keep the pharmaceutical
> drug
> bill from reaching a vote since it did not have the votes to pass -
> until 3
> in the morning when enough bribery had been doled out to squeeze it
> through.
> The lead politician came away with a two million dollars a year job with
> one
> of the drug companies (don't ask his drug expertise or what he is
> actually
> doing to be worth that money - he earned it ahead of time)  And they
> listed
> all our other representatives who got amazingly hefty rewards for their
> switched votes in the middle of the night when apparently no one was
> looking
> other than Roger.
>
>
> But I digress.  Simply help cut off the funding of my enemy, from dugs
> and
> oil  (and stop giving them our guns by the thousands)  and even I may
> vote
> for the next war.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:28 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Which list is this.
>
>
>> Personally, I preferred the list the way it was two weeks ago before
> the
>> winers opened their mouths and blew everyone off. Without the
> political
>> chit
>> chat a few people complained about, this is what the list
>> becomes............................very quiet.
>> If this continues, I'm going to sign off. It just isn't worth
> staying
>> around
>> for.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
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