[Rhodes22-list] pls take me off your list.

Thu Aug 14 09:59:30 EDT 2008

Mike,

I thought that looked familiar!

Lee

R22MikeW wrote:
> 
> Lee,
> 
> Take a look at the date stamp of the original email that "jhn ldrs" is 
> replying to!  Stan sent that last year, Aug 7, 2007!  I checked the
> archives 
> at http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2007-August/043260.html 
> just to be sure.
> 
> Some things just go round and round ...
> 
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:37 
> PM
>>
>> Stan,
>>
>> Legalize drugs and quit importing oil?  Well that's downright
>> un-American!
>>
>> Prohibition didn't work.  Alcohol, nicotine, caffeine,
>> over-and-under-the-counter drugs, soda pop, Big Macs and lots of other
>> bad things that we put in our bodies ARE legal.  Illegal drugs could
>> certainly help lead to the demise of our society but our youth is
>> probably spending more time watching reality shows, which must have a
>> more damaging effect than drugs.  When you look at the fall of other
>> empires, drug-use wasn't the culprit.  If we take the millions of
>> dollars used to finance the war on drugs (including related prison
>> costs), we could launch massive educational anti-drug campaigns to
>> convince kids that drugs aren't worth it, or pay children a monthly
>> increasing stipend if their urine is clean.  Just making drugs
>> unprofitable for criminals would probably take care of the problem.  How
>> many liquor bootleggers do you know north of the Mason-Dixon line?
>>
>> Everyone agrees we should reduce/eliminate our dependence on foreign oil
>> and lots of experts have plans on how to do it.  I'm not quite sure why
>> we aren't aggresively pursuing other alternatives.  I think it may be
>> that too many rich Americans are making too much money importing oil, or
>> it may just be that the alternatives are too much work and require too
>> much sacrifice.  I must admit that I'm awfully lazy and have done little
>> to reduce my imprint, aside from owning a sailboat.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jhn ldrs [mailto:jhnldrs at yahoo.ca]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:55 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pls take me off your list.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 8/7/07, stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>> From: stan <stan at rhodes22.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Which list is this.
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Received: Tuesday, August 7, 2007, 11:53 AM
>>
>> OK, I can't allow losing Rummy, so here goes.
>>
>> I told you guys I had a response to Brad's view that if no one knows how
>> to
>>
>> solve our current mess, at least stop whining.  But no one showed
>> interest
>> so I kept my secret "Nixon" plan to myself.  Ah, now that Rummy is
>> curious,
>> here it is.
>>
>> What fuels the terrorists:
>>
>> My guess is drugs and oil money   (or course our being there probably
>> does
>> too but I won't start a war with that view just now)
>>
>> The drug money cure is easy;  join me and Bill Buckley and make drugs
>> legal.
>> (Alcohol and tobacco and all the drug company drugs are already legal in
>>
>> this country so what's the big deal - just do it)  So what if this step
>> does
>> not completely shut off their funds if it helps cut down their ability
>> to
>> buy some arms and politicians.  It saves some lives and that is better
>> than
>> saving none.
>>
>> Oil is another major source of funding for the religious nuts.  We
>> import
>> oil, no matter what the price.  The overseas producers make huge profits
>> so
>> they can afford to be generous with our enemy.   We simply have to stop
>> importing oil.  If we become good at this, others will follow, except
>> Brazil, who are already there.
>>
>> Now Brad and others are going to make the correct argument that
>> alternate
>> ways of getting energy are not efficient (wind, solar, ethanol, hydro,
>> etc.)
>> and expanding our own oil reserves and atomic energy have down sides.
>> But
>> that is missing the point.   (When I was a few years shy of the draft,
>> our
>> country was taking down the Third Avenue El and sending its steel to
>> Japan
>> who obligingly converted it to bombs for my less fortunate young
>> friends.)
>>
>> Efficiency, even environmental issues, should be back burner
>> considerations
>> if we are weighing life and the huge costs of wars we simply cannot win
>> with
>> the intelligence we currently have.  Meantime the intelligence we do
>> have
>> will come up with a US master minded energy fix if we seed such programs
>>
>> with part of the money we are pissing away hitting our heads against a
>> composite stone wall.  Besides, when I hear the argument that says
>> making
>> ethanol is not efficient, I wonder, is going to war to protect our oil
>> interests more efficient?
>>
>> Nixon was correct when he said we should be 100% oil import free by 1986
>> -
>> he just did not have the smarts or maybe it was the strength to overcome
>> the
>> lobby influences, to make it happen.
>>
>> Today we can make it happen - although we still have the lobbyists to
>> contend with and congressional Democrats have shown themselves, at least
>> so
>> far,  not to be up to that problem.  Did any one catch the 60 Minute
>> segment
>> a few weeks ago about the all night session to keep the pharmaceutical
>> drug
>> bill from reaching a vote since it did not have the votes to pass -
>> until 3
>> in the morning when enough bribery had been doled out to squeeze it
>> through.
>> The lead politician came away with a two million dollars a year job with
>> one
>> of the drug companies (don't ask his drug expertise or what he is
>> actually
>> doing to be worth that money - he earned it ahead of time)  And they
>> listed
>> all our other representatives who got amazingly hefty rewards for their
>> switched votes in the middle of the night when apparently no one was
>> looking
>> other than Roger.
>>
>>
>> But I digress.  Simply help cut off the funding of my enemy, from dugs
>> and
>> oil  (and stop giving them our guns by the thousands)  and even I may
>> vote
>> for the next war.
>>
>> ss
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:28 AM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Which list is this.
>>
>>
>>> Personally, I preferred the list the way it was two weeks ago before
>> the
>>> winers opened their mouths and blew everyone off. Without the
>> political
>>> chit
>>> chat a few people complained about, this is what the list
>>> becomes............................very quiet.
>>> If this continues, I'm going to sign off. It just isn't worth
>> staying
>>> around
>>> for.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
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