[Rhodes22-list] Political- Caroline's disappointing day.
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Thu Dec 18 11:28:42 EST 2008
Ahhhh, so it's really NOT Couric, it's what you see in her eyes. I might
warn you, cameras do funny things.
Funny, I don't even remember bringing Palin up, I was asking about
Kennedy. I was really searching for some consistency. As I said, I
didn't bring up Palin, but since you did...
I looked into the eyes of Bill Clinton, and saw a bright, intelligent
funny man, that was very engaging, and very charming.
On the other hand, I looked at Bill Clinton's ACTIONS, and saw something
entirely different.
I'm not much into judging folks by the appearance of their eyes, vacant
or otherwise. I judged Palin by her actions.
I haven't seen many political actions from Ms Kennedy to judge whether
or not she's (politically) a moron.
Ben Cittadino wrote:
> Herb;
>
> I know Brad put you in charge of the world for the day, but don't let it go
> to your head.
>
> My point about a Couric interview was not that Couric represents any kind of
> incisive or probing questioner, but rather that Ms. Palin did such a very
> poor job of handling HER interview with Ms. Couric.
> I seem to recall your saying you never saw it. Too bad. Palin came across
> like a MORON. Nobody, and I mean nobody, disagrees with that.
>
> Look, you and Brad and others admire and respect Palin. You have made it
> clear you think she'd be a competent President. Good for you.
>
> I have looked into her eyes and seen the vacant stare of of a person I
> wouldn't trust to mind my dog (and my dog is dead). We disagree. It happens.
> Let's not trod old ground. Haven't we had this discussion already? Isn't
> there something new we can argue about?
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
>
> hparsons wrote:
>
>> Ahhhhh, I finally think I understand. It would seem you base your views
>> of "moronic" levels on interviews with fluffy media former stars. If
>> that's the baseline, I can probably rule for you. It's easy to hit a
>> home run when you're lobbed a slow pitch. Brushbacks make it a little
>> harder to hold your composure.
>>
>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>
>>> Herb;
>>>
>>> I think I'll reserve judgment on the "moron" issue until after Caroline's
>>> Katie Couric interview.
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Point of order.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still waiting on a ruling on the "moron" issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So therefor, there being no voices raised in support of Ms. Kennedy's
>>>>> candidacy, and upon unanimous consent of the body, be it hereby
>>>>> resolved
>>>>> that Ms. Kennedy should not be endorsed for the office of US Senator
>>>>> from
>>>>> New York. Next case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks boys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the big fuss in Illinois about? Their Senate seat has been
>>>>>> unused for four years. Why the big hurry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the kicker Brad, she's not going to be running against anyone.
>>>>>>> There won't be an election (I think). I'm almost positive that
>>>>>>> filling
>>>>>>> Hillary's vacancy is by appointment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stop and think about THAT one. How much of a "deal" did New Yorkers
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> when they voted for Hillary this time around? She spent the first
>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>> of her term campaigning for another job, then is going to resign to
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> a DIFFERENT "other job".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Who the heck is advising her?" Good question, maybe that idiot
>>>>>>>> neo-Republican John McCain? I'd say Ms. Kennedy has the exact number
>>>>>>>> of political and business successes to point to in her career as the
>>>>>>>> President-Elect, ie, ZERO - without the long string of corrupt
>>>>>>>> colleagues and failed leadership in quasi-public ventures. Why the
>>>>>>>> need to compare her to Sarah Palin? Does she have a record of
>>>>>>>> standing up to corruption? Palin has a long record of
>>>>>>>> accomplishments. If Ms. Kennedy has 1/10 of that record then I'd
>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>> she's more than qualified. Who is she running against? What are
>>>>>>>> their qualifications? Since when did the NYTimes give a shit about
>>>>>>>> competence? The NYTimes isn't worth wrapping dead fish in Rahm
>>>>>>>> Emmanuel style - it gives dead fish a bad image and makes them smell
>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Ben Cittadino
>>>>>>>> <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Folks;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the article posted below a reporter is said to have asked Ms.
>>>>>>>>> Kennedy
>>>>>>>>> what she would say about her qualifications for the job of US
>>>>>>>>> Senator
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> NY. Surely she knew the question would come, and surely she must
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> thought about her answer. It is reported that "an aide" stopped her
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> responding. What's up with that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was 14 years old when her father was killed, and a sophomore in
>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>> school. I was just getting interested in politics and government. I
>>>>>>>>> know now
>>>>>>>>> he was deeply flawed, but we loved him and were terribly affected
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> death. I wanted so much for her to do well, but I must say this is
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> auspicious beginning.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Somebody joked that this was just a strategy to keep her cousin
>>>>>>>>> Kerry's
>>>>>>>>> ex-husband Andrew Cuomo from getting the job. I dimissed it, but
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>>>> so sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How do you not answer reporters who ask the obvious question in
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> circumstance? Who the heck is advising her? What a letdown.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NYTimes Online 12/17/08
>>>>>>>>> In Appearance Upstate, Kennedy Says Little
>>>>>>>>> By JEREMY W. PETERS and NICHOLAS CONFESSORE
>>>>>>>>> SYRACUSE — In a carefully controlled strategy reminiscent of the
>>>>>>>>> vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin, aides to Caroline Kennedy
>>>>>>>>> interrupted
>>>>>>>>> her on Wednesday and whisked her away when she was asked what her
>>>>>>>>> qualifications are to be a United States senator.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In her first public appearance since letting it be known that wants
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> succeed Hillary Rodham Clinton, Ms. Kennedy emerged from a
>>>>>>>>> closed-door
>>>>>>>>> meeting with Matthew J. Driscoll, the mayor of Syracuse, where
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> dozen
>>>>>>>>> reporters were waiting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She offered a 30-second statement saying that she would respect the
>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>> undertaken by Gov. David A. Paterson to fill the vacancy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then, as reporters asked why Ms. Kennedy was seeking the Senate
>>>>>>>>> seat
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> whether she was ready, she did not answer, then walked away,
>>>>>>>>> heading
>>>>>>>>> toward
>>>>>>>>> a waiting black sport-utility vehicle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When one reporter asked what she would tell New Yorkers who
>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>> she has the qualifications for the job, Ms. Kennedy, 51, started to
>>>>>>>>> respond.
>>>>>>>>> But then an aide stopped her from saying more, and led her to the
>>>>>>>>> waiting
>>>>>>>>> vehicle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Hopefully I can come back and answer all those questions," she
>>>>>>>>> called
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> as she got into the S.U.V.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was the first stop in an orchestrated tour of upstate New York.
>>>>>>>>> Ms.
>>>>>>>>> Kennedy has plans to visit with officials in Rochester and,
>>>>>>>>> possibly,
>>>>>>>>> Buffalo, a first stab at getting skeptical upstate voters used to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>> of being represented in Washington by yet another down-stater.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The area has already expressed wariness of her, with some officials
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> newspapers questioning her abilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The tour has been kept somewhat secretive, reflecting, in part, the
>>>>>>>>> delicacy
>>>>>>>>> of the situation. No schedule was given, though details percolated
>>>>>>>>> rapidly
>>>>>>>>> through political circles in New York. An aide accompanying her
>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>> she was
>>>>>>>>> headed to Rochester after Syracuse, but declined to say where.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Technically, there is no seat open, since the current holder,
>>>>>>>>> Senator
>>>>>>>>> Clinton, has not yet been confirmed to be secretary of state. And
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> be no true campaign, since there is no true election: the only vote
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> counts if that of Governor Paterson.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In her brief statement, Ms. Kennedy said: "As some of you may have
>>>>>>>>> heard, I
>>>>>>>>> told Governor Paterson I'd be honored to be considered for the
>>>>>>>>> position
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> United States senator. There's a lot of good people in this
>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the governor is considering. He's laid out a process and I'm proud
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> part of that process."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As the S.U.V. pulled out of downtown Syracuse, she gave a wave and
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> smile
>>>>>>>>> to the disappointed reporters who had gathered.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>> --
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