[Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Tue Dec 30 12:36:30 EST 2008 

Ben,

Let's talk boats and boat building for a bit, shall we? Leon Slicker
(builder of my boat) is a consummate businessman and a not so small
boat builder.  I give him a slight edge on Sir Stanley only because
the quality of his gel coat is 1/10 of 1% better.  Other than that,
they've both followed the same path - built a better mousetrap and
survived several cycles of the boat building business.  Short of
plunking down $300K for a new Tiara (or $50K for the next limited run
of 7.6M racing sailboats) I'll never get a tour of the S2 factory.
You can have one at the Rhodes-22 factory just for the asking.  Be
careful what you wish for.  Two seconds after my first meeting with
Stan he said, "I have a bone to pick with you".  His gripe was legit
and I respect his naked honesty.  Stan didn't survive this long in an
industry with a thousand carcases by being stupid. If he likes the
list the way it is, it must be good for business, or at least good for
his soul.

Another wise man I know was asked one time after he quit his job,
"Louis, are you so independently wealthy that you don't need to work?"

 "No, I have just enough money I don't need to work for you" - Louis
Haslett (circa 1970)

When Stan asks us to knock it off I suspect it will be brief and to
the point.  And, we'll sit on command.

Brad

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
>
> Ben;
>
> Thanks for the statistical breakdown. I must say it hadn't occurred to me
> that I was the fourth or fifth most frequent poster.
>
> I have also reviewed the posts since Rummy's resignation, especially those
> by Bill, Herb and Brad. I was, quite frankly, shocked at Herb's remarks to
> Elle, and dissappointed that Bill and Brad were so completely unrepentant. I
> believe I have a solution.
>
> If I leave the list it does two things; one, it solves a chunk of the
> "domination" problem with the reduction in volume; and two, it leaves Bill,
> Herb and Brad with nothing to do but agree with each other, which is not as
> much fun as having a debate with someone you disagree with.
>
> So, I'm quitting altogether. There are other ways to get sailing advice.
> Besides, if I ever have a sailing question, Tootle would just tell me "check
> the archives" anyway. (joke)
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Ben C.
>
>
>
> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>>
>> Just for kicks, I did a "group by sender" on my inbox for this list.  I
>> don't think I've deleted anything since August, and I have nothing from
>> before that.  I did a quick scroll to see how many messages we all send.
>>
>> Herb was just over 900 messages.
>> Brad was somewhere in the 700s.
>> Elle was next (unless I missed someone) in the mid-300s.
>> Ben C. was in the 200s.
>> I either forgot to look for Ed, or forgot how many messages he had.
>> Everyone else that I think of as a frequent poster was around 200 or less.
>>
>>
>> This was a real quick exercise, because my main objective was to handicap
>> upcoming college bowl games, so I'm sure there's someone I missed, but I
>> think the reason we might be losing people is not because of the contents
>> of
>> the posts, it's that the conversation is being dominated.
>>
>> By the way, happy holidays to everyone.  I wish you all the best for 09.
>>
>>
>> Ben S.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 17:20
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>
>> Elle,
>>
>> I notice that you, and a few others, when actually confronted, don't
>> ante up.
>>
>> What did I do to "throw water on the others"? I posted a reasoned
>> response to a bunch of crap about racism. They don't like it. Too bad.
>> You seem to jump in there anytime someone disagrees with this same sort
>> of nonsense.
>>
>> I'm opinionated. I don't doubt it.
>> I stand by my views, except when I find their wrong for me. Then I
>> change them.
>>
>> However, I don't resort to the silly name calling until it's thrown at
>> me first
>>
>> And, I'm not saying for an instant that I don't "cause a problem".
>> However, in this case I don't see where I did.
>>
>> Bill posted the link. I posted a reasoned response. You apparently,
>> don't like that I did so. Too bad.
>>
>>
>> elle wrote:
>>> Ah, Herb,
>>> Another reasoned and thoughtful response from you. You have such a way
>> with words that shows your nature. You make me laugh...I often have that
>> reaction to .......(don't want to call you names...so fill in your own,
>> folks.)
>>>
>>> And you never cause a problem...it's always the other guy.
>>>
>>> Ya wanna mix it up?
>>>
>>> I taught second grade..I  can handle you...But don't care to exert the
>> effort.
>>>
>>> Read up to Michael's response a few replies above this one. Take it to
>> heart...everyone.
>>>
>>> elle..
>>>
>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>>
>>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:50 PM
>>>> Elle,
>>>>
>>>> You know what? Kiss off. I did nothing to "throw
>>>> water" on this. Some
>>>> ass on here (and yes, it was ass-like behavior, if you
>>>> don't like it,
>>>> don't play) pulled his favorite "you're the
>>>> bad guy" routine by bringing
>>>> up the racism tag.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen a lot of BS on here the past few days,
>>>> started to spout off,
>>>> and then thought "nah, why bother". However, if
>>>> someone DOES choose to
>>>> "bother", they should expect a response.
>>>> That's what "discussions" are
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> For those of you that simply want a podium to espouse your
>>>> views
>>>> unchallenged, I submit you're in the wrong playground.
>>>>
>>>> I hate the thought of Rummy leaving. But he's a big
>>>> boy, I suspect he
>>>> knows exactly what he's doing by now. (I also suspect
>>>> he's kinda feeling
>>>> a little embarrassed at over-reacting, I know I would).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> elle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, SH*T.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't a girl have some fun (& feed her heart
>>>>>
>>>> & soul)  w/out the playground erupting?
>>>>
>>>>> Everybody..back in the pool & Herb, Bill & Ed,
>>>>>
>>>> stop throwing water in everyone's faces.
>>>>
>>>>> And, please...let me have some fun (;^) before I have
>>>>>
>>>> to come back to earth...
>>>>
>>>>> Love ya all...please everyone stay around....
>>>>>
>>>>> elle
>>>>>
>>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>>>>>
>>>> can adjust our sails.
>>>>
>>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>>>>>
>>>>   (Lady in Red)
>>>>
>>>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, John Lock
>>>>>
>>>> <jlock at relevantarts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da
>>>>>>
>>>> List
>>>>
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, "Robert
>>>> Skinner" <Robert at SquirrelHaven.com>
>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 12:54 PM
>>>>>> At 11:31 AM 12/29/2008 -0500, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Lock and MJM,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As prime movers in setting up and maintaining
>>>>>>> this list, you enjoy positions of authority
>>>>>>> and respect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doubtful, but thanks for the plug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to see you go, but you should know how this
>>>>>>
>>>> list
>>>>
>>>>>> works by
>>>>>> now.  Most of the traffic is generated by a
>>>>>>
>>>> relative few
>>>>
>>>>>> self-important, dick-waving, gas bags and has
>>>>>>
>>>> nothing to do
>>>>
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> Rhodes 22 or sailing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, we could start banning people and enforcing
>>>>>>
>>>> content
>>>>
>>>>>> rules, but
>>>>>> I (for one) don't want to be in THAT hot seat.
>>>>>>
>>>>  Mail
>>>>
>>>>>> filters and the
>>>>>> delete key should be enough to manage the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>  Nobody
>>>>
>>>>>> forces
>>>>>> anyone to read the crap and the tools for
>>>>>>
>>>> bypassing it are
>>>>
>>>>>> simple.  If you choose to support a position or
>>>>>>
>>>> offer an
>>>>
>>>>>> opinion, you
>>>>>> KNOW what will happen!  It's not a surprise
>>>>>>
>>>> any more!
>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Lock
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
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