[Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List

[Bill Effros]

Michael,

As you well know, I run another list just like this one, but 3 times the 
size.  Everyone sticks to the topic, and it's so boring I put myself on 
vacation mode 6 months ago, so now all the questions are being answered 
wrong by hustlers with vested interests.

I can run this list, too--just the way Stan wants it.

Rummy went on vacation and unexpectedly drove home to an email box full 
of clearly labeled Political discussion.  If he didn't want to read it, 
he could have easily deleted it.  NOBODY asked a single R-22 question 
that was not answered.  In fact, I don't think anybody asked a single 
question, or made a single comment about sailing the whole time Rummy 
was in Wisconsin.

I didn't drive anyone away -- there was nobody there! In fact, it took 
this squabble to discover just how many people are apparently still 
reading the list every day, but never taking the time to ask questions 
or contribute answers.

I write about Obama and the Economy because I am terribly upset about 
both.  The people on this list are my friends, and have been my friends 
for more than 10 years.  I have contributed 1000s of sailing related 
answers that can still be found on the Web, and I always contribute when 
asked questions are not answered by others.

I am truly sorry that you lost your job, and I really do feel your pain, 
but I think it's time you stop taking out your problems on me.  If you 
need help moving this list over to another server, I will help you.  If 
you and John want to get out of the R-22 list business, I am willing to 
get in, if that's what Stan wants.

Bill Effros












michael meltzer wrote:
> Guys I am frustrated also, some have noted I been quite lately, is been from
> the lousy "vibes" here,
>
> I am working with John on some issues:
> 	1) Just turn it off, their a real question is it worth our trouble.
> 	 2) Be forced to read and approved every message, their a real
> question is it worth our trouble.
> 	3) Just shoot the trouble makers who do not get, as in Bill you
> still doing the O thing(BTW I voted bush twice and mccain), the issues is
> the damage you are doing to the list by the uncesslessness of it, please let
> it drop now, same for herb, in your case, I have come to your defencee for
> years but your real have a problem here, chill out now, but I really tired
> of this. There is a real question is it worth our trouble.
> 	4)just ban poltolticas, and delist them on the next post, just too
> many(5-6) people have lost all prospective who the list is, how to play nice
> and what they can accomplish here.
>
>
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Lock
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>
> At 01:45 PM 12/30/2008 -0600, Herb Parsons wrote:
>   
>> So, are you, as the owner of the list, REALLY saying that my choices are
>> to either have a moderator, or "STFU"? Hardly a reasonable response, in
>> my view.
>>
>> I will note, that your abusive rude response was also not "addressed
>> privately", and suggest that maybe the other 250 members no more care
>> for your response to me than mine to Ben; however, mine was at least civil.
>>     
>
> You are correct and I apologize to you individually and the list in 
> general.  Caught up in the moment I behaved exactly as I was denouncing.
>
> But... I hope it demonstrates my frustration.  No, I do not own the 
> list, but I do manage the resources it depends on.  Those are 
> different things.  If someone else would like to step forward and 
> offer the resources I will relinquish my role (gladly at this point).
>
> What I am saying, just so it's clear to everyone, is that I have 
> reached my limit.  I offered to host the list and the website in 
> order to continue a valuable resource for Rhodes 22 owners and 
> fans.  It has been a disappointing experience to say the least.
>
> So, either the character of the list changes or I will "manage" some 
> other solutions.  Capiche?
>
>
> John Lock
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> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair, GA
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>
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