[Rhodes22-list] Politics: How 'Bout That Bill Effros?

Tue Dec 30 18:20:49 EST 2008

Bill,

Give Blago credit, he is crafty.  I like this guy Burris already, he
sure looks good on paper.  Burris grew up in Centralia, about 30 miles
where I did and graduated from SIU, my first college. Based on his age
and the times, you can't say he didn't earn everything he achieved.
He's no affirmative action candidate for sure.  I know my parents will
be happy to have someone with downstate roots as their Senator.  But
again, what a crafty move on Blago's part.  It would be totally unfair
to Mr. Burns to deny him a seat in the US Senate.

Brad

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Wally,
>
> Did you notice that Blagojevich just selected someone to serve as
> Senator from the State of Illinois?
>
> The person is black, a Democrat, qualified, and in no way connected (as
> far as we know) to the issue of "selling Obama's Senate seat."
>
> However, the Democrats have backed themselves into a corner of
> Fitzpatrick's making.  They have called Blagojevich (the duly twice
> elected, un-indicted, Governor of the State of Illinois) a liar, and a
> crook--and they have said they will not honor any of his legally
> performed duties based on their decision that whatever it is Fitzpatrick
> has charged, (and the wiretaps he has illegally disclosed) are as good
> as convictions as far as they are concerned.  IN THIS CASE (please read
> the words carefully) the accusation is as good as a conviction.
>
> Both Mr. Obama and Mr. Blogojevich were named as un-indicted co-schemers
> IN THIS CASE.  Mr. Fitzpatrick has charged that both participated in a
> giant "pay to play" scheme in the State of Illinois, and he warned the
> whole nation that "The defendants and their associates put the word out
> loud and clear: YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY IN ILLINOIS."
>
> Mr. Obama is one of the named defendants IN THIS CASE.  The FBI had him
> under surveillance even before he became a Senator.  They produced
> photographs of Obama attending meetings he said never happened.
> Informants described bribes paid to Obama, and the FBI tracked the
> payments right into Obama's bank accounts--the same way they tracked
> Eliot Spitzer's prostitute payments.
>
> What will the Democrats say about Mr. Obama's decisions when he is drawn
> into this case?  Just another "bone-headed play?"
>
> What will you say?
>
> When Mr. Fitzpatrick called Mr. Blagojevich a liar and crook last May, I
> believed him.  When Mr. Fitzpatrick said Mr. Obama was also a liar and a
> crook I believed him also.
>
> Do you believe Fitzpatrick?  Or not?
>
> Bill Effros
>
> TN Rhodey wrote:
>> Bill,Get a freaking clue and get off your high horse. Take your own advice
>> and be careful. I have not called anybody a racist. I did not even vote for
>> Obama. Do you think I am calling my self a racist? Your assumptions about me
>> are based on your own ignorance and bias. Play the race card with some one
>> who gives a shit. Do you just make stuff up as you go?
>>
>> I gathered from your dozens (hundreds) of anti O post you hated him. You
>> have called him a liar, crook and a racist. So now you claim you do not hate
>> him. Ok if you say so. I guess you are showing tough love. Frankly I don't
>> care. I didn't vote for O.
>>
>>  Pat B has some good ideas and plenty of bad ones. . Mostly I think his
>> international views are idiotic. I am sure he has a decent IQ.
>>
>>  Every time you bring race up it makes me wonder why.  So ask your self why
>> you responded to MY post with your race implications? Who is guilty of
>> making assumptions? Frankly Bill your response to me was way off base. Race
>> didn't have anything to do with any of my post.You are confused  and  also
>> an idiot  if you think other wise.Were you confused?
>>
>> Oh yeah.....I don't think Israel is over reacting.
>>
>> Wally
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Wally,
>>>
>>> Be careful of falling into propaganda stereotypes.  First, anyone who
>>> disagreed with Obama's candidacy was a racist.  Now, it has become
>>> "obvious you hate".
>>>
>>> I don't "hate" Mr. Obama, so my personal feelings toward him are, by
>>> definition, not obvious.
>>>
>>> Brad, and I, and countless others--including many Obama supporters at
>>> the highest levels--warned the Obama transition team not to permit the
>>> perception of a policy vacuum to encourage world-wide complication of
>>> United States foreign policy objectives.  Mr. Obama had no compunctions
>>> about stating his views on foreign policy prior to his election--in fact
>>> he ran on the platform of repudiating Mr. Bush's foreign policy, and
>>> telling the whole world he would reverse that policy in virtually every
>>> area--including Israel.
>>>
>>> Mr. Obama has repeatedly violated his "one president at a time" mantra
>>> when it suits him, most obviously in the domestic economic policy
>>> sphere, where he is dictating the bills he wants on his desk the moment
>>> he is inaugurated.
>>>
>>> I disagree with Mr. Buchanan on many many things, but an "idiot" he is
>>> not.  He is smart, principled, consistent, and a much better scholar of
>>> American history than I, and most other Americans.
>>>
>>> I do now, and have long agreed with his consistent position that
>>> supporting Israeli attacks on civilian populations comports with neither
>>> our goals nor our values.
>>>
>>> Obama's silence on this matter at this time will hurt him and us
>>> strategically and morally.  We have allowed Israeli politics to trump
>>> our own national interests.  One could easily interpret Team Obama's
>>> silence in the same way we interpreted Team Bush's silence on the
>>> aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
>>>
>>> Lives are being lost right now.  Good will is being flushed down the
>>> toilet.  The voices of peace and reconciliation are being drowned out
>>> both by the belligerence of those on the right, and the silence of those
>>> on the left.
>>>
>>> Winning elections is not supposed to be the end of imposing your values
>>> on the political sphere, it is supposed to be the beginning.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TN Rhodey wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill, I suppose he could say that but shouldn't Bush speak for the US? I
>>>>
>>> am
>>>
>>>> not sure if I agree with Pat. Bush's mouth piece has come out in support
>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> the action. For Obama to come out against would be counter productive. It
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> obvious you hate O. Your advice seems foolish. I would advise him the
>>>>
>>> exact
>>>
>>>> opposite.
>>>>
>>>> I think Pat B is an idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Wally
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what Pat Buchanan has to say on this issue:
>>>>>
>>>>> "While the United States must support Israel's right to defend her towns
>>>>> and to strike bases from which Israelis are being attacked, Obama should
>>>>> denounce the collective punishment of 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza,
>>>>> by Israel's cutting off their electricity in the dead of winter and
>>>>> denying them the food and medicine many need to survive.
>>>>>
>>>>> For us to remain silent in the face of this comports neither with our
>>>>> interests or our values. Israel's policy of withholding from the weak
>>>>> and innocent of Gaza, women and children, the necessities of life, to
>>>>> punish the guilty who rule at the point of a gun, is a policy that Obama
>>>>> should declare the United States will no longer support with tax
>>>>>
>>> dollars."
>>>
>>>>> To paraphrase another part of the same article, "Obama can't just sit
>>>>> mute at the table like the 'dummy' in a game of bridge."
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TN Rhodey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill, What should Obama be doing? Should he fly to Crawford and join
>>>>>>
>>> Bush
>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> vacation? Perhaps go Grouse hunting with Dick C.? Heck what should Bush
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> do?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only control we have over Israel is money. They will do as they
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> please.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If Hanas attacks they will respond. Rightly so. It would be hard fo use
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> be critical of this considering our attack on Iraq.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Israel is itching to fight and if Hamas continues to provoke
>>>>>>
>>> they
>>>
>>>>>> will get pounded even worse. The last Isreali ops in Lebanon did not
>>>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>>>> the normal kick ass results.  I think both Hamas and Hezbollah were
>>>>>> emboldened by the poor Israeli tactics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect Israel will take care of any nuke plants in Iran long before
>>>>>>
>>> we
>>>
>>>>>> feel the urge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you see it different?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 150 people who were alive yesterday morning are dead this morning
>>>>>>> because Israel massively attacked Gaza.  That includes women and
>>>>>>> children because the Israeli's attacked targets at a time that ensured
>>>>>>> civilian casualties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They attacked when no one in this country was on the job.  Right now
>>>>>>>
>>> we
>>>
>>>>>>> have no President at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obama is on both sides of this issue--where are you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He is not President of USA yet.  You want him stirring the pot like
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Captain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rummy?  He said that there is only one President at a time.  Calm
>>>>>>>>
>>> down,
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> enjoy the holidays.  While the liquor stores are still open go get a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bottle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of Mt. Gay Rum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>> addendum from where there is a lot of snow:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Think of yourself as on the threshold of unparalleded sucess.  A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> whole,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> clear, glorious life lies before you.  Achieve! Achieve! - Andrew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carnegie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (borrowed from from the cover of the Pennsylvania Travel Guide.)( I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> would
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have expected some of the native Pennsylvanians on this forum to have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> quoted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that.  Where is Ben C, Frone, John S., et al????)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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