[Rhodes22-list] Politics: How 'Bout That Bill Effros?

Tue Dec 30 18:21:43 EST 2008

Correction - Burris

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Give Blago credit, he is crafty.  I like this guy Burris already, he
> sure looks good on paper.  Burris grew up in Centralia, about 30 miles
> where I did and graduated from SIU, my first college. Based on his age
> and the times, you can't say he didn't earn everything he achieved.
> He's no affirmative action candidate for sure.  I know my parents will
> be happy to have someone with downstate roots as their Senator.  But
> again, what a crafty move on Blago's part.  It would be totally unfair
> to Mr. Burns to deny him a seat in the US Senate.
>
> Brad
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>> Wally,
>>
>> Did you notice that Blagojevich just selected someone to serve as
>> Senator from the State of Illinois?
>>
>> The person is black, a Democrat, qualified, and in no way connected (as
>> far as we know) to the issue of "selling Obama's Senate seat."
>>
>> However, the Democrats have backed themselves into a corner of
>> Fitzpatrick's making.  They have called Blagojevich (the duly twice
>> elected, un-indicted, Governor of the State of Illinois) a liar, and a
>> crook--and they have said they will not honor any of his legally
>> performed duties based on their decision that whatever it is Fitzpatrick
>> has charged, (and the wiretaps he has illegally disclosed) are as good
>> as convictions as far as they are concerned.  IN THIS CASE (please read
>> the words carefully) the accusation is as good as a conviction.
>>
>> Both Mr. Obama and Mr. Blogojevich were named as un-indicted co-schemers
>> IN THIS CASE.  Mr. Fitzpatrick has charged that both participated in a
>> giant "pay to play" scheme in the State of Illinois, and he warned the
>> whole nation that "The defendants and their associates put the word out
>> loud and clear: YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY IN ILLINOIS."
>>
>> Mr. Obama is one of the named defendants IN THIS CASE.  The FBI had him
>> under surveillance even before he became a Senator.  They produced
>> photographs of Obama attending meetings he said never happened.
>> Informants described bribes paid to Obama, and the FBI tracked the
>> payments right into Obama's bank accounts--the same way they tracked
>> Eliot Spitzer's prostitute payments.
>>
>> What will the Democrats say about Mr. Obama's decisions when he is drawn
>> into this case?  Just another "bone-headed play?"
>>
>> What will you say?
>>
>> When Mr. Fitzpatrick called Mr. Blagojevich a liar and crook last May, I
>> believed him.  When Mr. Fitzpatrick said Mr. Obama was also a liar and a
>> crook I believed him also.
>>
>> Do you believe Fitzpatrick?  Or not?
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> TN Rhodey wrote:
>>> Bill,Get a freaking clue and get off your high horse. Take your own advice
>>> and be careful. I have not called anybody a racist. I did not even vote for
>>> Obama. Do you think I am calling my self a racist? Your assumptions about me
>>> are based on your own ignorance and bias. Play the race card with some one
>>> who gives a shit. Do you just make stuff up as you go?
>>>
>>> I gathered from your dozens (hundreds) of anti O post you hated him. You
>>> have called him a liar, crook and a racist. So now you claim you do not hate
>>> him. Ok if you say so. I guess you are showing tough love. Frankly I don't
>>> care. I didn't vote for O.
>>>
>>>  Pat B has some good ideas and plenty of bad ones. . Mostly I think his
>>> international views are idiotic. I am sure he has a decent IQ.
>>>
>>>  Every time you bring race up it makes me wonder why.  So ask your self why
>>> you responded to MY post with your race implications? Who is guilty of
>>> making assumptions? Frankly Bill your response to me was way off base. Race
>>> didn't have anything to do with any of my post.You are confused  and  also
>>> an idiot  if you think other wise.Were you confused?
>>>
>>> Oh yeah.....I don't think Israel is over reacting.
>>>
>>> Wally
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wally,
>>>>
>>>> Be careful of falling into propaganda stereotypes.  First, anyone who
>>>> disagreed with Obama's candidacy was a racist.  Now, it has become
>>>> "obvious you hate".
>>>>
>>>> I don't "hate" Mr. Obama, so my personal feelings toward him are, by
>>>> definition, not obvious.
>>>>
>>>> Brad, and I, and countless others--including many Obama supporters at
>>>> the highest levels--warned the Obama transition team not to permit the
>>>> perception of a policy vacuum to encourage world-wide complication of
>>>> United States foreign policy objectives.  Mr. Obama had no compunctions
>>>> about stating his views on foreign policy prior to his election--in fact
>>>> he ran on the platform of repudiating Mr. Bush's foreign policy, and
>>>> telling the whole world he would reverse that policy in virtually every
>>>> area--including Israel.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Obama has repeatedly violated his "one president at a time" mantra
>>>> when it suits him, most obviously in the domestic economic policy
>>>> sphere, where he is dictating the bills he wants on his desk the moment
>>>> he is inaugurated.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree with Mr. Buchanan on many many things, but an "idiot" he is
>>>> not.  He is smart, principled, consistent, and a much better scholar of
>>>> American history than I, and most other Americans.
>>>>
>>>> I do now, and have long agreed with his consistent position that
>>>> supporting Israeli attacks on civilian populations comports with neither
>>>> our goals nor our values.
>>>>
>>>> Obama's silence on this matter at this time will hurt him and us
>>>> strategically and morally.  We have allowed Israeli politics to trump
>>>> our own national interests.  One could easily interpret Team Obama's
>>>> silence in the same way we interpreted Team Bush's silence on the
>>>> aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
>>>>
>>>> Lives are being lost right now.  Good will is being flushed down the
>>>> toilet.  The voices of peace and reconciliation are being drowned out
>>>> both by the belligerence of those on the right, and the silence of those
>>>> on the left.
>>>>
>>>> Winning elections is not supposed to be the end of imposing your values
>>>> on the political sphere, it is supposed to be the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TN Rhodey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill, I suppose he could say that but shouldn't Bush speak for the US? I
>>>>>
>>>> am
>>>>
>>>>> not sure if I agree with Pat. Bush's mouth piece has come out in support
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>> the action. For Obama to come out against would be counter productive. It
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>> obvious you hate O. Your advice seems foolish. I would advise him the
>>>>>
>>>> exact
>>>>
>>>>> opposite.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Pat B is an idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is what Pat Buchanan has to say on this issue:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "While the United States must support Israel's right to defend her towns
>>>>>> and to strike bases from which Israelis are being attacked, Obama should
>>>>>> denounce the collective punishment of 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza,
>>>>>> by Israel's cutting off their electricity in the dead of winter and
>>>>>> denying them the food and medicine many need to survive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For us to remain silent in the face of this comports neither with our
>>>>>> interests or our values. Israel's policy of withholding from the weak
>>>>>> and innocent of Gaza, women and children, the necessities of life, to
>>>>>> punish the guilty who rule at the point of a gun, is a policy that Obama
>>>>>> should declare the United States will no longer support with tax
>>>>>>
>>>> dollars."
>>>>
>>>>>> To paraphrase another part of the same article, "Obama can't just sit
>>>>>> mute at the table like the 'dummy' in a game of bridge."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TN Rhodey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill, What should Obama be doing? Should he fly to Crawford and join
>>>>>>>
>>>> Bush
>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vacation? Perhaps go Grouse hunting with Dick C.? Heck what should Bush
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only control we have over Israel is money. They will do as they
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Hanas attacks they will respond. Rightly so. It would be hard fo use
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be critical of this considering our attack on Iraq.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think Israel is itching to fight and if Hamas continues to provoke
>>>>>>>
>>>> they
>>>>
>>>>>>> will get pounded even worse. The last Isreali ops in Lebanon did not
>>>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>>>> the normal kick ass results.  I think both Hamas and Hezbollah were
>>>>>>> emboldened by the poor Israeli tactics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suspect Israel will take care of any nuke plants in Iran long before
>>>>>>>
>>>> we
>>>>
>>>>>>> feel the urge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you see it different?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 150 people who were alive yesterday morning are dead this morning
>>>>>>>> because Israel massively attacked Gaza.  That includes women and
>>>>>>>> children because the Israeli's attacked targets at a time that ensured
>>>>>>>> civilian casualties.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They attacked when no one in this country was on the job.  Right now
>>>>>>>>
>>>> we
>>>>
>>>>>>>> have no President at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama is on both sides of this issue--where are you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He is not President of USA yet.  You want him stirring the pot like
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Captain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rummy?  He said that there is only one President at a time.  Calm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> down,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> enjoy the holidays.  While the liquor stores are still open go get a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bottle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of Mt. Gay Rum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>> addendum from where there is a lot of snow:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Think of yourself as on the threshold of unparalleded sucess.  A
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> whole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> clear, glorious life lies before you.  Achieve! Achieve! - Andrew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carnegie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (borrowed from from the cover of the Pennsylvania Travel Guide.)( I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> have expected some of the native Pennsylvanians on this forum to have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> quoted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that.  Where is Ben C, Frone, John S., et al????)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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