[Rhodes22-list] a new world is coming to the rhodes22 list

brad haslett flybrad at yahoo.com
Wed Dec 31 14:38:37 EST 2008 

Ron,

I'm waiting for the tone to improve as well.  As I recall, you were the first to drop off because "it wasn't good for 'Michelle's children'". You couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen so you left.  Let's call a spade a spade.  You were bitching the last time I recall because your funding was cut at your job.  Yes? And now you're back because you have "HOPE".  Exactly what did that have to do with sailing?  We now live in a 'kinder and gentler world' and this kind of negative talk isn't tolerated?  If you haven't noticed, I'm begging you to throw me off the list.  I'm insisting!  Show me your true colors. Ah yes, you're building a better world and a better list.  How's that Nirvana working out for you versus reality.  You drop out of the discussion when it gets a bit difficult and then drop back in when it's convenient?  THAT is what this little 'tempest in a teapot' is all about, reality.  This list is but a small microcosm of the bigger
 world. You think "if I can just cure this list it will cure all the problems".  

Folks, hang on!  Part of being conservative is having enough left to help your neighbor in need.  Kick me off, or Ed, Herb, even Bill (God help his soul) but I'm not fooled about what's going on here.   You want the world to work your way - and we're the problem?

It's just words.  Deeds are where your heart is!

Brad  

Let's cut to the chase here.  There's lot's of lists.  There's lot's of blogs.  There's lot's of sailboats.  This is one of the few places where you can discuss boats, sailing, politics,sailing, family, dogs, sailing, boats - but someone got offended (Rummy) after 8 years and you, drunk with your new power, want to take over a family.

Is that good for Michelle's kids?

Ron, if you think I'm poking a stick in your eye, let there be no doubt.  I'm poling a baseball bat in your eye.  Are you awake?

 Someone, anyone,  please officially kick me off the list so I can retire in peace in of the apartments I own in communist China.

Brad

--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Ronald Lipton <ronald.lipton at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ronald Lipton <ronald.lipton at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] a new world is coming to the rhodes22 list
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:57 PM

Thanks Michael and John,  I hope the new regime works out.  I am willing to
hang around a white
longer and see if the tone improves.

Ron

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:44 PM, michael meltzer
<mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>wrote:

> I am with john on this, I going away for new years will be back Friday
> night, " Save your long-winded complaints and howls of injustice. 
They
> will
> be ignored. " is app here, it is going to take work on both our parts
to
> set
> the up, what I find funny is everyone is pushing "that they are still
> right".......
>
> -mjm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Lock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:24 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] a new world is coming to the rhodes22 list
>
> With respect to Michael and his Blackberry-speak, let me summarize
> what we are thinking -
>
> 1) Posting of "mean spirited" personal attacks, verbal abuse,
and
> other egregious behavior (at our discretion) will no longer be
> tolerated.  You want to talk politics and exchange views?  Go ahead,
> but when you start back-biting and rolling around in the dirt you
> will enjoy a little vacation from the list.
>
> 2) Neither Michael nor I wants to be in this position, but we're
> forced into it.  In the long run I am researching some ways to let
> the list supervise itself.  That is - miscreants can be nominated for
> a "time out".  If a large enough percentage the of membership
agrees
> the suspension will be automatic.  Simply click your vote and watch
> the results.  (Simplified version... more research is required).
>
> 3) I will be researching installation of wiki software to capture
> some of the collective knowledge of the group in a form that's more
> useful than the e-mail archives.  However, the content will come for
> you, the members of this list.  The main reason a wiki fails is that
> people expect it to be magically populated with all the information
> they seek.  Doesn't work that way.  I'm going to try to develop
some
> migration tools to get it started, but in the end it is a product of
> a (very large) group effort.
>
> 4) Save your long-winded complaints and howls of injustice.  They
> will be ignored.
>
> And as always... Cheers!
>
> John Lock
>
>
>
> >He is the working idea.
> >
> >1)      Is the problem is not so much the off subject post, as long as
the
> >are entertaining there is no real issue, funny, informative, nice..
> >
> >2)      The problem is the people using "mean sprite" ,
pounding on
> people,
> >people on ego trips that they must change the world by changing the
view
> of
> >the members, being a PITA
> >
> >
> >
> >To that end.
> >
> >1)      in the short: people using "mean sprite" , pounding
on people,
> >people on ego trips that they must change the world by changing the
view
> of
> >the members. Can and will be suspended buy me and john at our whim,
using
> >current tools. Willing to listen to some group feedback but really 
the
> >right to suspend and remove PITA's
> >
> >2)      in the long term both me and john no not have the time for
this.
> >Thinking along the lines of a "trusted" group of people can
numerated a
> >poster for suspend/remove/band that a larger group of list members can
> vote
> >on(the jury, maybe post #/length of time on the list weighted). Web
based
> >system. Me and john then become the "apples board. The real
question in
> most
> >cases would be are you a PITA and worth it
> >
> >3)      there is a question about a wiki(ben), we tried it once but
let's
> >try again, it could have broad applies
> >
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