[Rhodes22-list] a new world is coming to the rhodes22 list

Wed Dec 31 22:50:39 EST 2008

Brad,   A slight course correction is not out of line. You and Bill are over
reacting big time.

Happy New Year!

Wally

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:38 PM, brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ron,
>
> I'm waiting for the tone to improve as well.  As I recall, you were the
> first to drop off because "it wasn't good for 'Michelle's children'". You
> couldn't stand the heat in the kitchen so you left.  Let's call a spade a
> spade.  You were bitching the last time I recall because your funding was
> cut at your job.  Yes? And now you're back because you have "HOPE".  Exactly
> what did that have to do with sailing?  We now live in a 'kinder and gentler
> world' and this kind of negative talk isn't tolerated?  If you haven't
> noticed, I'm begging you to throw me off the list.  I'm insisting!  Show me
> your true colors. Ah yes, you're building a better world and a better list.
> How's that Nirvana working out for you versus reality.  You drop out of the
> discussion when it gets a bit difficult and then drop back in when it's
> convenient?  THAT is what this little 'tempest in a teapot' is all about,
> reality.  This list is but a small microcosm of the bigger
>  world. You think "if I can just cure this list it will cure all the
> problems".
>
> Folks, hang on!  Part of being conservative is having enough left to help
> your neighbor in need.  Kick me off, or Ed, Herb, even Bill (God help his
> soul) but I'm not fooled about what's going on here.   You want the world to
> work your way - and we're the problem?
>
> It's just words.  Deeds are where your heart is!
>
> Brad
>
> Let's cut to the chase here.  There's lot's of lists.  There's lot's of
> blogs.  There's lot's of sailboats.  This is one of the few places where you
> can discuss boats, sailing, politics,sailing, family, dogs, sailing, boats -
> but someone got offended (Rummy) after 8 years and you, drunk with your new
> power, want to take over a family.
>
> Is that good for Michelle's kids?
>
> Ron, if you think I'm poking a stick in your eye, let there be no doubt.
> I'm poling a baseball bat in your eye.  Are you awake?
>
>  Someone, anyone,  please officially kick me off the list so I can retire
> in peace in of the apartments I own in communist China.
>
> Brad
>
> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Ronald Lipton <ronald.lipton at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Ronald Lipton <ronald.lipton at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] a new world is coming to the rhodes22 list
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:57 PM
>
> Thanks Michael and John,  I hope the new regime works out.  I am willing to
> hang around a white
> longer and see if the tone improves.
>
> Ron
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:44 PM, michael meltzer
> <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>wrote:
>
> > I am with john on this, I going away for new years will be back Friday
> > night, " Save your long-winded complaints and howls of injustice.
> They
> > will
> > be ignored. " is app here, it is going to take work on both our parts
> to
> > set
> > the up, what I find funny is everyone is pushing "that they are still
> > right".......
> >
> > -mjm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Lock
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:24 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] a new world is coming to the rhodes22 list
> >
> > With respect to Michael and his Blackberry-speak, let me summarize
> > what we are thinking -
> >
> > 1) Posting of "mean spirited" personal attacks, verbal abuse,
> and
> > other egregious behavior (at our discretion) will no longer be
> > tolerated.  You want to talk politics and exchange views?  Go ahead,
> > but when you start back-biting and rolling around in the dirt you
> > will enjoy a little vacation from the list.
> >
> > 2) Neither Michael nor I wants to be in this position, but we're
> > forced into it.  In the long run I am researching some ways to let
> > the list supervise itself.  That is - miscreants can be nominated for
> > a "time out".  If a large enough percentage the of membership
> agrees
> > the suspension will be automatic.  Simply click your vote and watch
> > the results.  (Simplified version... more research is required).
> >
> > 3) I will be researching installation of wiki software to capture
> > some of the collective knowledge of the group in a form that's more
> > useful than the e-mail archives.  However, the content will come for
> > you, the members of this list.  The main reason a wiki fails is that
> > people expect it to be magically populated with all the information
> > they seek.  Doesn't work that way.  I'm going to try to develop
> some
> > migration tools to get it started, but in the end it is a product of
> > a (very large) group effort.
> >
> > 4) Save your long-winded complaints and howls of injustice.  They
> > will be ignored.
> >
> > And as always... Cheers!
> >
> > John Lock
> >
> >
> >
> > >He is the working idea.
> > >
> > >1)      Is the problem is not so much the off subject post, as long as
> the
> > >are entertaining there is no real issue, funny, informative, nice..
> > >
> > >2)      The problem is the people using "mean sprite" ,
> pounding on
> > people,
> > >people on ego trips that they must change the world by changing the
> view
> > of
> > >the members, being a PITA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >To that end.
> > >
> > >1)      in the short: people using "mean sprite" , pounding
> on people,
> > >people on ego trips that they must change the world by changing the
> view
> > of
> > >the members. Can and will be suspended buy me and john at our whim,
> using
> > >current tools. Willing to listen to some group feedback but really
> the
> > >right to suspend and remove PITA's
> > >
> > >2)      in the long term both me and john no not have the time for
> this.
> > >Thinking along the lines of a "trusted" group of people can
> numerated a
> > >poster for suspend/remove/band that a larger group of list members can
> > vote
> > >on(the jury, maybe post #/length of time on the list weighted). Web
> based
> > >system. Me and john then become the "apples board. The real
> question in
> > most
> > >cases would be are you a PITA and worth it
> > >
> > >3)      there is a question about a wiki(ben), we tried it once but
> let's
> > >try again, it could have broad applies
> > >
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