[Rhodes22-list] Melting Pot - Brother Brad melts toward totalitarism...

[Brad Haslett]

Ed,

In my profession, "Allah Akbar" is a non-standard response.  As to Internet
references, I usually strip them of their source or at least their copyright
statement because I'm not stupid.  Do a Google search on any title line and
you'll quickly find the source.  Now back to "Allah Akbar", I'm very
tolerant of religious beliefs, political beliefs, yada, yada, yada, unless
you are at my dinner table and ignorant of recent Chinese history and then I
can get a bit belligerent depending on the other Chinese at the table and
how quickly they school your ass, but, other than that, I'm just like Hard
Rock Cafe, "Love All, Serve All". Not once in my entire life have I ever
questioned any medical professional working on me about their religious
beliefs, ethnicity, or political persuasions, even when it  was obvious. I
assumed that they were professionals first and all those other attributes
helped them maintain professionalism or they ignored them, in whatever
mysterious ways that stuff works.  Color me an insensitive pig if necessary,
if you are a Muslim medical professional, I've got lots of questions.  They
started this, I didn't.  Apparently our resident Muslim on the list is
gone.  I miss him.  The 'squeaky wheel gets the grease' and there are about
a billion (with a B) Muslims in the world so 1% is a lot of squeaky wheels.
Last time I checked about 30% in THIS country are against us.  It gets worse
in Europe.  I'll be dead and gone before this war is over.  In the meantime,
I'll educate my children about the dangers. BTW, I've got a huge repertoire
of Jewish Doctor jokes, I could use a few more to refresh the reservoir.
I'll swap some 'slant-eye' jokes quid pro quo.

Brad

On Feb 4, 2008 11:59 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:

>
> Brad:
>
> In the medical field there have been many practices in good old USA that
> worked around the problems of religion in medical practice.  Since you
> have
> been too busy flying around, you have succumbed to totalitarian point of
> view.
>
> In democratic America there have been and are still many variations of
> medical garb or dress to get around these problems, especially with
> females.
> Remember that we have diverse groups such as conservative Christians,
> conservative Jews and others who do in America use different grab in
> medical
> practice.
>
> Ask Alice W for her opinion of the variations of medical garb that she may
> have seen?
>
> And when you copy these copious articles, where are the internet
> citations?
> How can we check on you?
>
> And Mary Lou's comment on anti war, would she rather let more Twin Towers
> occur?  Did she know anyone who was there?  I have a cousin whom I am
> reasonably close to who lives in New Jersey.  I in fact visited with him
> early in December.  He was in the lobby of one of the towers when a plane
> hit it.  He heard the thunk.  He saw pieces falling.  Luckily, he quickly
> walked down a set of stairs and thru a tunnel to the Hudson Tube tunnels.
> He got home that night about 8 p.m.
>
> Turning the other cheek and advocating peaceful resolution is not always
> the
> right way.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> "The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on
> his
> wearing his sidearm.
> "Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?"   "No
> Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle."
>
>
>
>
> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >
> > Keep your eyes on Great Britain and Europe if you want to see what the
> > future looks like.  PC and multi-culturalism is really working, isn't
> it?
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> >   Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'
> > By Julie Henry and Laura Donnelly
> > Last Updated: 1:51am GMT 04/02/2008
> >
> > Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to
> > stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against
> their
> > religion.
> >
> > Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to
> > removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves
> > when
> > washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam.
> >
> > Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate
> with
> > new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which
> stipulates
> > that all doctors must be "bare below the elbow".
> >
> > The measure is deemed necessary to stop the spread of infections such as
> > MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have killed hundreds.
> >
> > Minutes of a clinical academics' meeting at Liverpool University
> revealed
> > that female Muslim students at Alder Hey children's hospital had
> objected
> > to
> > rolling up their sleeves to wear gowns.
> >
> > Similar concerns have been raised at Leicester University. Minutes from
> a
> > medical school committee said that "a number of Muslim females had
> > difficulty in complying with the procedures to roll up sleeves to the
> > elbow
> > for appropriate handwashing".
> >
> > Sheffield University also reported a case of a Muslim medic who refused
> to
> > "scrub" as this left her forearms exposed.
> >
> > Documents from Birmingham University reveal that some students would
> > prefer
> > to quit the course rather than expose their arms, and warn that it could
> > leave trusts open to legal action.
> >
> > Hygiene experts said last night that no exceptions should be made on
> > religious grounds.
> >
> > Dr Mark Enright, professor of microbiology at Imperial College London,
> > said:
> > "To wash your hands properly, and reduce the risks of MRSA and
> > C.difficile,
> > you have to be able to wash the whole area around the wrist.
> >
> > "I don't think it would be right to make an exemption for people on any
> > grounds. The policy of bare below the elbows has to be applied
> > universally."
> >
> > Dr Charles Tannock, a Conservative MEP and former hospital consultant,
> > said:
> > "These students are being trained using taxpayers' money and they have a
> > duty of care to their patients not to put their health at risk.
> >
> > "Perhaps these women should not be choosing medicine as a career if they
> > feel unable to abide by the guidelines that everyone else has to
> follow."
> >
> > But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body
> in
> > public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam.
> >
> > "No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical student, nurse or patient
> -
> > should be forced to bare her arms below the elbow," it said.
> >
> > Dr Majid Katme, the association spokesman, said: "Exposed arms can pick
> up
> > germs and there is a lot of evidence to suggest skin is safer to the
> > patient
> > if covered. One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable
> gloves
> > which go up to the elbows."
> >
> > I
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