[Rhodes22-list] Melting Pot - Brother Brad melts toward totalitarism...

[Peter Thorn]

Bravo, Mary Lou!

PT

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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Melting Pot - Brother Brad melts toward totalitarism...

Ed,
I said nothing about turning the other cheek. You 
are making an unfounded assumption. Sort of like 
like seeing a jerk who would key someone's car 
out of distaste for a license plate as representative of liberal thought.

Mary Lou


At 12:59 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:
>Brad: In the medical field there have been many 
>practices in good old USA that worked around the 
>problems of religion in medical practice.  Since 
>you have been too busy flying around, you have 
>succumbed to totalitarian point of view. In 
>democratic America there have been and are still 
>many variations of medical garb or dress to get 
>around these problems, especially with females. 
>Remember that we have diverse groups such as 
>conservative Christians, conservative Jews and 
>others who do in America use different grab in 
>medical practice. Ask Alice W for her opinion of 
>the variations of medical garb that she may have 
>seen? And when you copy these copious articles, 
>where are the internet citations? How can we 
>check on you? And Mary Lou’s comment on anti 
>war, would she rather let more Twin Towers 
>occur?  Did she know anyone who was there?  I 
>have a cousin whom I am reasonably close to who 
>lives in New Jersey.  I in fact visited with him 
>early in December.  He was in the lobby of one 
>of the towers when a plane hit it.  He heard the 
>thunk.  He saw pieces falling.  Luckily, he 
>quickly walked down a set of stairs and thru a 
>tunnel to the Hudson Tube tunnels. He got home 
>that night about 8 p.m. Turning the other cheek 
>and advocating peaceful resolution is not always 
>the right way. Ed K Greenville, SC, USA "The old 
>sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a 
>lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 
>"Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you 
>expecting trouble?"   "No Ma'am. If I were 
>expecting trouble, I would have brought my 
>rifle." Brad Haslett-2 wrote: > > Keep your eyes 
>on Great Britain and Europe if you want to see 
>what the > future looks like.  PC and 
>multi-culturalism is really working, isn't 
>it? > > Brad > > 
>-------------------- > >   Female Muslim medics 
>'disobey hygiene rules' > By Julie Henry and 
>Laura Donnelly > Last Updated: 1:51am GMT 
>04/02/2008 > > Muslim medical students are 
>refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to > 
>stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because 
>they say it is against their > religion. > > 
>Women training in several hospitals in England 
>have raised objections to > removing their arm 
>coverings in theatre and to rolling up their 
>sleeves > when > washing their hands, because it 
>is regarded as immodest in Islam. > > 
>Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will 
>refuse to co-operate with > new Department of 
>Health guidance, introduced this month, which 
>stipulates > that all doctors must be "bare 
>below the elbow". > > The measure is deemed 
>necessary to stop the spread of infections such 
>as > MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have 
>killed hundreds. > > Minutes of a clinical 
>academics' meeting at Liverpool University 
>revealed > that female Muslim students at Alder 
>Hey children's hospital had objected > to > 
>rolling up their sleeves to wear gowns. > > 
>Similar concerns have been raised at Leicester 
>University. Minutes from a > medical school 
>committee said that "a number of Muslim females 
>had > difficulty in complying with the 
>procedures to roll up sleeves to the > elbow > 
>for appropriate handwashing". > > Sheffield 
>University also reported a case of a Muslim 
>medic who refused to > "scrub" as this left her 
>forearms exposed. > > Documents from Birmingham 
>University reveal that some students would > 
>prefer > to quit the course rather than expose 
>their arms, and warn that it could > leave 
>trusts open to legal action. > > Hygiene experts 
>said last night that no exceptions should be 
>made on > religious grounds. > > Dr Mark 
>Enright, professor of microbiology at Imperial 
>College London, > said: > "To wash your hands 
>properly, and reduce the risks of MRSA and > 
>C.difficile, > you have to be able to wash the 
>whole area around the wrist. > > "I don't think 
>it would be right to make an exemption for 
>people on any > grounds. The policy of bare 
>below the elbows has to be applied > 
>universally." > > Dr Charles Tannock, a 
>Conservative MEP and former hospital 
>consultant, > said: > "These students are being 
>trained using taxpayers' money and they have a > 
>duty of care to their patients not to put their 
>health at risk. > > "Perhaps these women should 
>not be choosing medicine as a career if they > 
>feel unable to abide by the guidelines that 
>everyone else has to follow." > > But the 
>Islamic Medical Association insisted that 
>covering all the body in > public, except the 
>face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam. > > 
>"No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical 
>student, nurse or patient - > should be forced 
>to bare her arms below the elbow," it said. > > 
>Dr Majid Katme, the association spokesman, said: 
>"Exposed arms can pick up > germs and there is a 
>lot of evidence to suggest skin is safer to 
>the > patient > if covered. One idea might be to 
>produce long, sterile, disposable gloves > which 
>go up to the elbows." > > I > 
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