[Rhodes22-list] Politics

Wed Feb 13 04:43:27 EST 2008

Herb.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings in using the word "nonchalant."  You
flatter me that you would care so much about what I have to say.  Most
people just blow me off--I'm just a saloon singer and unless you want to
hear "Sweet Home Alabama" I'm no authority on anything.  When Brad gets
caught up he'll probably hand me my ass too.

BTW I also hate the word "casualty."  What's so goddamned casual about it?
You should indeed be enraged by those words.  I certainly am too.  By no
means do I intend to imply that you, yourself, individually do not mourn and
respect our felled brothers and sisters for their and their family's
sacrifice.  It's our government (and your, "acceptable") that uses this
rhetoric and I'm protesting that, Herb, not you personally.

And Herb, your PGR story warms my heart and I know you're a fine American
but could you please lighten up a bit?   You're so temperish that I feel
like a fool for arguing with you.  You're off the hook and there's nothing
to be gained here.

Sorry all.  Sorry Ron Lipton.

Slim

On Feb 12, 2008 10:12 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Herb,
>
> Thank you and the Patriot Guard Riders for the respect you show our fallen
> heroes.
>
> Brad
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 9:47 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, the dog races would probably have been more plesant. Here's the
> > inside story, since there's at least a couple voices of reason here.
> >
> > I get two weeks paid vacation a year. While patriotic motivation wasn't
> > the only reason for my decision, it was one of the biggest. This year I
> > made a decison to start riding with the Patriot Guard Riders. Every one
> > of my "vacation days" this year were spent riding with the PGR. This
> > meant that instead of working on my project boat in New Orleans, or
> > sailing my boat on Lake Grapevine, I was attending (usually) funerals
> > for strangers that I didn't know, or (sometimes) seeing strangers off to
> > war, shaking their hands and wishing them well, or welcoming them home
> > thanking them for a job well done. Some of the "rides" were for hours in
> > freezing cold weather (my first was PGR mission started at 5am with an
> > outside temp of 19f degrees), or rain, or 90-100f heat.
> >
> > I don't say this to heap praise upon myself, because there's about
> > 120,000 other folks that do the same thing, many of them doing so much
> > more and under harsher condistions frequently than I.
> >
> > However, I DO say it to explain WHY I take it personally when a person
> > uses the self-sacrifice of those troops to further their own political
> > beliefs.
> >
> > I doubt that the person in this discussion who accused me of being
> > "non-chalant" about the sacrifice these people, and thier families, have
> > made has done the same or similar; yet this person throws off a
> > statement like that for one reason - to support their political
> > viewpoint. But you know, it really doesn't MATTER of that person has
> > done the same, the FACT is that said person spoke of my attitude about
> > the deaths of others in total ignorance (not knowing my view), and I
> > find that disgusting.
> >
> > I hope you'll pardon me my disdain.
> >
> > If those that don't see my view want to come stand by me in the on the
> > flag line, I'd be happy to stand with them. You don't have to be for or
> > against the war, you don't even have to have a motorcycle. I can promise
> > you this though, once you've done it once, once you've had the
> > mother/wife/husband/daughter/son of one of these hero's look you in the
> > eye and thank you for being there, as if what you've done even remotely
> > compares to their sacrifice, you'll have a totally different viewpoint.
> > Maybe then you'll be a lot less hesitant to use the sacrifice of these
> > people to further your petty political statements.
> >
> > I suspect you'll also come away with a different view of others' alleged
> > "non-chalance".
> >
> > And now, I AM through with the particular little side-thread. If someone
> > wants to think ill of my for my view, fine I can live with that. Your
> > insults will go ignored by me. If someone understands, thank you for
> > your understanding.
> >
> >
> > Brad Haslett wrote:
> > > Wow, glad I had to go to work today!  The statement we use in the
> > simulator
> > > five times an hour is probably appropriate here -
> > >
> > > "OK, that problem is over, new day, new jet!"
> > >
> > > The idea of going to the dog track this weekend probably is the
> highest
> > and
> > > best use of my time.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > > On Feb 12, 2008 9:02 PM, Just bent <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Herb, no offense taken here,
> > >>  I think the way you insult is much more effective than Roberts.
> > >> Jb
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> hparsons wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Well, I'll have to give up. Anyone that can't recognize the sarcasm
> > can
> > >>> hardly be expected to acknowledge their own hypocrisy.
> > >>>
> > >>> So, are you going to make implications about my mother, maybe one of
> > my
> > >>> kids, or have you fully exhausted the depths of your abilities?
> > >>>
> > >>> And how about the restu of you folks that were so "offended" by my
> > >>> posts. Will you really sit there mutely while Robert insults my
> > mother?
> > >>> At least in my "lowering of standards", I insulted the person
> > directly,
> > >>> rather than attacking his family.
> > >>>
> > >>> I will say this for you Robert, you don't surprise me at all.
> > >>>
> > >>> Robert Skinner wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hmmm, I don't know. Let me work on it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> By all means.  I look forward to your cutting new territory
> > >>>> in this exchange.  I would rejoice in your getting a "10"
> > >>>> or two from the judges.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I guess I'll have to sit back in awe at your amazing level of
> > >>>>> intelligence and the "high ground" you take.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Please don't give up so easily.  I had such hopes...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /Robert
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Herb Parsons
> > >>> S/V O'Jure - O'Day 25
> > >>> S/V Reve de Pappa - Coronado 35
> > >>>
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