[Rhodes22-list] Politics
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Wed Feb 13 08:21:38 EST 2008
Most people who don't understand respect, don't understand disrespect.
Your response isn't surprising.
Steven Alm wrote:
> Herb.
>
> I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings in using the word "nonchalant." You
> flatter me that you would care so much about what I have to say. Most
> people just blow me off--I'm just a saloon singer and unless you want to
> hear "Sweet Home Alabama" I'm no authority on anything. When Brad gets
> caught up he'll probably hand me my ass too.
>
> BTW I also hate the word "casualty." What's so goddamned casual about it?
> You should indeed be enraged by those words. I certainly am too. By no
> means do I intend to imply that you, yourself, individually do not mourn and
> respect our felled brothers and sisters for their and their family's
> sacrifice. It's our government (and your, "acceptable") that uses this
> rhetoric and I'm protesting that, Herb, not you personally.
>
> And Herb, your PGR story warms my heart and I know you're a fine American
> but could you please lighten up a bit? You're so temperish that I feel
> like a fool for arguing with you. You're off the hook and there's nothing
> to be gained here.
>
> Sorry all. Sorry Ron Lipton.
>
> Slim
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 10:12 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Herb,
>>
>> Thank you and the Patriot Guard Riders for the respect you show our fallen
>> heroes.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2008 9:47 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yeah, the dog races would probably have been more plesant. Here's the
>>> inside story, since there's at least a couple voices of reason here.
>>>
>>> I get two weeks paid vacation a year. While patriotic motivation wasn't
>>> the only reason for my decision, it was one of the biggest. This year I
>>> made a decison to start riding with the Patriot Guard Riders. Every one
>>> of my "vacation days" this year were spent riding with the PGR. This
>>> meant that instead of working on my project boat in New Orleans, or
>>> sailing my boat on Lake Grapevine, I was attending (usually) funerals
>>> for strangers that I didn't know, or (sometimes) seeing strangers off to
>>> war, shaking their hands and wishing them well, or welcoming them home
>>> thanking them for a job well done. Some of the "rides" were for hours in
>>> freezing cold weather (my first was PGR mission started at 5am with an
>>> outside temp of 19f degrees), or rain, or 90-100f heat.
>>>
>>> I don't say this to heap praise upon myself, because there's about
>>> 120,000 other folks that do the same thing, many of them doing so much
>>> more and under harsher condistions frequently than I.
>>>
>>> However, I DO say it to explain WHY I take it personally when a person
>>> uses the self-sacrifice of those troops to further their own political
>>> beliefs.
>>>
>>> I doubt that the person in this discussion who accused me of being
>>> "non-chalant" about the sacrifice these people, and thier families, have
>>> made has done the same or similar; yet this person throws off a
>>> statement like that for one reason - to support their political
>>> viewpoint. But you know, it really doesn't MATTER of that person has
>>> done the same, the FACT is that said person spoke of my attitude about
>>> the deaths of others in total ignorance (not knowing my view), and I
>>> find that disgusting.
>>>
>>> I hope you'll pardon me my disdain.
>>>
>>> If those that don't see my view want to come stand by me in the on the
>>> flag line, I'd be happy to stand with them. You don't have to be for or
>>> against the war, you don't even have to have a motorcycle. I can promise
>>> you this though, once you've done it once, once you've had the
>>> mother/wife/husband/daughter/son of one of these hero's look you in the
>>> eye and thank you for being there, as if what you've done even remotely
>>> compares to their sacrifice, you'll have a totally different viewpoint.
>>> Maybe then you'll be a lot less hesitant to use the sacrifice of these
>>> people to further your petty political statements.
>>>
>>> I suspect you'll also come away with a different view of others' alleged
>>> "non-chalance".
>>>
>>> And now, I AM through with the particular little side-thread. If someone
>>> wants to think ill of my for my view, fine I can live with that. Your
>>> insults will go ignored by me. If someone understands, thank you for
>>> your understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, glad I had to go to work today! The statement we use in the
>>>>
>>> simulator
>>>
>>>> five times an hour is probably appropriate here -
>>>>
>>>> "OK, that problem is over, new day, new jet!"
>>>>
>>>> The idea of going to the dog track this weekend probably is the
>>>>
>> highest
>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> best use of my time.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 12, 2008 9:02 PM, Just bent <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Herb, no offense taken here,
>>>>> I think the way you insult is much more effective than Roberts.
>>>>> Jb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I'll have to give up. Anyone that can't recognize the sarcasm
>>>>>>
>>> can
>>>
>>>>>> hardly be expected to acknowledge their own hypocrisy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, are you going to make implications about my mother, maybe one of
>>>>>>
>>> my
>>>
>>>>>> kids, or have you fully exhausted the depths of your abilities?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And how about the restu of you folks that were so "offended" by my
>>>>>> posts. Will you really sit there mutely while Robert insults my
>>>>>>
>>> mother?
>>>
>>>>>> At least in my "lowering of standards", I insulted the person
>>>>>>
>>> directly,
>>>
>>>>>> rather than attacking his family.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will say this for you Robert, you don't surprise me at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm, I don't know. Let me work on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By all means. I look forward to your cutting new territory
>>>>>>> in this exchange. I would rejoice in your getting a "10"
>>>>>>> or two from the judges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess I'll have to sit back in awe at your amazing level of
>>>>>>>> intelligence and the "high ground" you take.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please don't give up so easily. I had such hopes...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Robert
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Herb Parsons
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>>>>>> S/V Reve de Pappa - Coronado 35
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