[Rhodes22-list] More crabbing

Thu Feb 14 23:28:33 EST 2008

Mike,

Yup! You know the airplane.  I flew the 1's and 2's with the alcohol
injection and the JATO bottle in the tail.  They didn't have wings, just
motor mounts.  The later model had 8 feet more wing and bigger engines but
lost the rocket bottle. You probably recall it was uber-sensitive in yaw,
kinda-sorta stable in pitch, and slooooooow in roll. The final blow for me
was on a short leg from FVV to TUL.  I had a full boat of pax and bags (19),
no extra fuel, the wx was on its butt in TUL and we got a chip light
enroute.  I chose to ignore the engine shutdown called for by the red-tabs
and delayed gear until late in the approach.  The gear didn't come down!  We
went missed and ran through the emergency extension drill, declared
"min-fuel" and came back around on fumes.  As we were taxiing in I spotted a
Citation that a friend flew, parked at the FBO.  I called Tulsair and got
him on the phone.  "Mike, is that job still available?"  It was. I gave my
notice to 'Scareways' and never looked back.

Brad

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Brad,
>
> Metroliners - oh the memories!  Nineteen seats as I recall and no separate
> cabin.  How could they have prevented the paying customers from knowing
> what
> was going on?  It was just a curtain that separated the cockpit from the
> main cabin.  Stability problems all of the time.  I hated the FRG-BOS run
> in
> the 80s.  Logan xwind was always a problem, not to mention the F/Metro's
> habit of "bobbing" like a cork.  They were all over the map!
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>       Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com> Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:36
> PM
> Rik,
>
> That reminds me of a 'war story' from my commuter days at "Scheduled
> Scareways".  The lovely Metroliner was a POS straight from the factory and
> after a few years of SS maintenance they were outright 'deathtubes'. The
> props never went into reverse symmetrically so you'd try and debrief the
> crew handing off the airplane, or if unavailable, you would very gingerly
> go
> into reverse on the first landing to see if it wanted to dart left or
> right.  We had a crew landing in a snowstorm in Springfield, MO with the
> F/O
> flying.  The Captain told him not to use reverse on touchdown because 1 -
> they didn't know which way it would dart, and 2 - reversing in snow blows
> the stuff forward and you go 0/0 on visibility immediately.  Soooooo, they
> touch down and he instantly honks it into full reverse.  They go well off
> the runway, parallel it for a few hundred yards, and through no skill and
> cunning of theirs, end-up back on the runway.  The tower can only see a
> big
> plume of snow so they ask, "Skyways, are you OK?"  By now the skipper has
> the airplane back and the F/O attempts his best manly-man voice with the
> seat cushion half-way up his anal port.
>
> "YES!"  The pax couldn't see a thing and didn't know what happened.  The
> only reason the rest of knew the truth was because the Captain was so
> scared
> he felt compelled to warn us about the F/O.
>
> As Lou Holtz used to say on Johnny Carson when he coached the Razorbacks,
> "Fayetteville, AR is so small the local airline doesn't sell tickets, they
> sell chances."
>
> He was only half kidding.
>
> Brad
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Had a landing like that in a 737 at O'hare (windy city, what a surprise)
> > back in the 90s. Looking down the runway through the side window of the
> > airplane was an experience I'll not forget soon. It was, let's say,
> > exhilarating ..... I have to admit to some relief after I realized the
> > landing gear had held.
> >
> > Rik
> >
> > There is no magic to Free Enterprise. It is the best way to create
> wealth,
> > but it does not prevent people from making mistakes. Capitalism offers
> > people a chance to make money. But it also offers them a chance to make
> > fools of themselves. Free Enterprise – like the rest of life – merely
> > permits nature to take her course.....Bill Bonner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad Haslett wrote:
> > >> I don't fly any more, so I'll go on memory.
> > >>
> > >> As I recollect, one generally uses a little
> > >> power to pull most planes straight as the
> > >> wheels touch down, then brakes hard once she
> > >> is pointed right (given a long runway).
> > >>
> > >> Your thoughts?
> > >>
> > >> /Robert
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> "Michael D. Weisner" wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Robert,
> > >>>
> > >>> With L1011s you always pushed with the throttle - more speed needed.
> > >>>
> > >>  Looked
> > >>
> > >>> like a real light load.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike
> > >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>
> > >>> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com> Thursday, February
> > 14,
> > >>> 2008 12:14 PM
> > >>>
> > >>>> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/967820/extreme_crosswind_landing/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /Robert
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