[Rhodes22-list] motor ruminations ..... again (I know)

[Ron Singerman]

Mike,

If you do not have a motor available when you pickup your boat stan has one 
that you can use on your shake down cruise.  Just ask Caesar Paul.

>>ron<<
S/V Serenity

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Cheung" <mikecheung at att.net>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:41 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] motor ruminations ..... again (I know)


>
> Sorry to start a new thread, but the "Re: Rhodes22-list ...." tag on the
> other one was not very good indexing ...
>
> I've dug through the archives and am still conflicted about what to do 
> about
> a motor ....
>
> To recap, I'm researching a motor to hang on a recycled 1993 R22.  We're
> planning, at this point, to not go with the UPP but rather the 6:1 or 7:1
> manual engine lift.  I would prefer to get a motor to Stan and let him do
> the install on the boat, hook it up to the electrical system, etc.  Not to
> mention it would be nice if there were a motor on the boat when we picked 
> it
> up so that a short test sail were more possible.  We've only been looking 
> at
> 4 stroke engines, mainly as a matter of preference and a sense that 
> they're
> "greener".
>
> Stan recommends we get the 8 hp Yamaha (T8ELH), but the buggers are 
> pricey,
> hard to find, and the dealers aren't supposed to ship them.  I guess the
> dealers are actually supposed to do the installation and first start for
> warranty purposes; at least that's what one dealer told me.  The T8ELH 
> does
> look like a great motor.  It has a gear ratio of 2.4:1 for "high power", 
> the
> gear shift on the motor tiller, and a longer than usual motor tiller. 
> The
> only other motor I've located with a similar arrangement for the gear 
> shift
> on the motor tiller are the 8 and 9.9 hp 4 stroke Mercury engines
> (interestingly not the Bigfoot variety though).  The problem with these 
> (so
> far anyway) is that they don't have the high power gear ratio.  Instead
> they're geared at the more common 2:1 or 2.1:1.  The argument runs that 
> this
> is less efficient for a slow moving boat than the high power ratio of 
> 2.4:1.
> Even if the cost were not an issue, getting one to Stan by taking delivery
> of the motor, driving it to Edenton, having Stan hang it, but not start 
> it,
> and then taking the boat and motor back to a Yamaha dealer to do the 
> initial
> start for warranty purposes seems, frankly, nuts.  The alternative of
> picking up the boat without a motor (and foregoing any test sail), then
> taking her to a Yamaha dealer for the install, first start, etc. is 
> better,
> but still strikes me as sort of silly.  Plus there's the worry of who did
> what wrong if the install doesn't go right.  Yeah, I guess it should just 
> be
> bolts, fuel, and two wire connections, but ...
>
> If one gives up the gear shift on the motor tiller, then the Tohatsu's and
> Nissan's, which have gotten some good press here, are attractive based on
> cost and weight and availability.  It sounds like the internet shops will
> get one out the door real quick and ship them pretty much anywhere.  So
> getting one to Stan sounds like a slam dunk.  And I trust that between 
> us -
> Stan, Elton, and even I are bright enough to put oil in the motor, grease 
> in
> the lower unit and maybe even follow the first start / break-in
> instructions; well, I *know* Stan and Elton are.  The downsides are the 
> gear
> shift placement, in front which is better than on the side though not
> optimal and they are also geared at 2.1:1 so there is the "not high power"
> issue.
>
> I briefly looked at the Suzuki's - they look to have the shift in front 
> and
> appear to be geared at 2.1:1, like the Tohatsu's and Nissan's.  I also
> briefly looked at the Honda's and they are closer to "high power" gearing 
> at
> 2.33:1, but also have their controls in the front.  I haven't gotten far
> enough to make a cost/availability/crazy dealer "rules" check yet for 
> them.
>
> For those with the Tohatsu's with the front gear shift:  how easy is it to
> get to during motoring operations?  Does the "not high power" have any
> practical limitations you've noticed?
>
> For any who have bitten the bullet and gotten the Yamaha T8ELH (or the
> T9.9ELH):  how smitten are you with having the gear shift on the motor
> tiller?  Has the "high power" been an advantage that you've noticed?
>
> Are there any other motors that I'm forgetting - especially 4 stroke, high
> thrust, gear shift on the motor tiller types?
>
> Thanks!  Mike Cheung
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