[Rhodes22-list] motor ruminations ..... again (I know)

[Mary Lou Troy]

We went with the Yamaha but our concern were more about flushing 
after use. We had remote controls on the cockpit floor so we don't 
use the tiller controls. Right now we never steer with the motor 
though a linkage might be in our future. When we bought Fretless 10 
years ago, we bought our Honda from a local dealer. We picked up the 
boat in Edenton and did a few days with a borrowed motor. When we got 
home we got the motor from the dealer - he had done all the prep work 
in the tank. When we added remote control several years later the 
dealer did the initial set-up and showed us how to install it on the 
boat. When we bought the Yamaha, again the dealer did all the initial 
prep in the shop, including setting up the remote controls. We ran 
the electric under the cockpit seats over or around the bulkhead into 
the cabin and into the compartment under the v-berth where the battery lives.

We haven't used it enough to know whether the high thrust is really 
better than our old Honda which was higher thrust than most of the others.

We do like having the controls readily available. Being able to give 
the engine a burst of power and then putting it in neutral while you 
are steering AND watching where you are going is very helpful when 
maneuvering in close confines.

Best of luck on your search,
Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD


At 05:41 PM 7/3/2008, you wrote:

>Sorry to start a new thread, but the "Re: Rhodes22-list ...." tag on the
>other one was not very good indexing ...
>
>I've dug through the archives and am still conflicted about what to do about
>a motor ....
>
>To recap, I'm researching a motor to hang on a recycled 1993 R22.  We're
>planning, at this point, to not go with the UPP but rather the 6:1 or 7:1
>manual engine lift.  I would prefer to get a motor to Stan and let him do
>the install on the boat, hook it up to the electrical system, etc.  Not to
>mention it would be nice if there were a motor on the boat when we picked it
>up so that a short test sail were more possible.  We've only been looking at
>4 stroke engines, mainly as a matter of preference and a sense that they're
>"greener".
>
>Stan recommends we get the 8 hp Yamaha (T8ELH), but the buggers are pricey,
>hard to find, and the dealers aren't supposed to ship them.  I guess the
>dealers are actually supposed to do the installation and first start for
>warranty purposes; at least that's what one dealer told me.  The T8ELH does
>look like a great motor.  It has a gear ratio of 2.4:1 for "high power", the
>gear shift on the motor tiller, and a longer than usual motor tiller.    The
>only other motor I've located with a similar arrangement for the gear shift
>on the motor tiller are the 8 and 9.9 hp 4 stroke Mercury engines
>(interestingly not the Bigfoot variety though).  The problem with these (so
>far anyway) is that they don't have the high power gear ratio.  Instead
>they're geared at the more common 2:1 or 2.1:1.  The argument runs that this
>is less efficient for a slow moving boat than the high power ratio of 2.4:1.
>Even if the cost were not an issue, getting one to Stan by taking delivery
>of the motor, driving it to Edenton, having Stan hang it, but not start it,
>and then taking the boat and motor back to a Yamaha dealer to do the initial
>start for warranty purposes seems, frankly, nuts.  The alternative of
>picking up the boat without a motor (and foregoing any test sail), then
>taking her to a Yamaha dealer for the install, first start, etc. is better,
>but still strikes me as sort of silly.  Plus there's the worry of who did
>what wrong if the install doesn't go right.  Yeah, I guess it should just be
>bolts, fuel, and two wire connections, but ...
>
>If one gives up the gear shift on the motor tiller, then the Tohatsu's and
>Nissan's, which have gotten some good press here, are attractive based on
>cost and weight and availability.  It sounds like the internet shops will
>get one out the door real quick and ship them pretty much anywhere.  So
>getting one to Stan sounds like a slam dunk.  And I trust that between us -
>Stan, Elton, and even I are bright enough to put oil in the motor, grease in
>the lower unit and maybe even follow the first start / break-in
>instructions; well, I *know* Stan and Elton are.  The downsides are the gear
>shift placement, in front which is better than on the side though not
>optimal and they are also geared at 2.1:1 so there is the "not high power"
>issue.
>
>I briefly looked at the Suzuki's - they look to have the shift in front and
>appear to be geared at 2.1:1, like the Tohatsu's and Nissan's.  I also
>briefly looked at the Honda's and they are closer to "high power" gearing at
>2.33:1, but also have their controls in the front.  I haven't gotten far
>enough to make a cost/availability/crazy dealer "rules" check yet for them.
>
>For those with the Tohatsu's with the front gear shift:  how easy is it to
>get to during motoring operations?  Does the "not high power" have any
>practical limitations you've noticed?
>
>For any who have bitten the bullet and gotten the Yamaha T8ELH (or the
>T9.9ELH):  how smitten are you with having the gear shift on the motor
>tiller?  Has the "high power" been an advantage that you've noticed?
>
>Are there any other motors that I'm forgetting - especially 4 stroke, high
>thrust, gear shift on the motor tiller types?
>
>Thanks!  Mike Cheung
>--
>View this message in context: 
>http://www.nabble.com/motor-ruminations-.....-again-%28I-know%29-tp18268737p18268737.html
>Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>__________________________________________________
>To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go 
>to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>__________________________________________________
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1532 - Release Date: 
>7/3/2008 8:32 AM