[Rhodes22-list] Commodore Spitzer's political reply to Brad's 25 minute demonstration of true evil[political]

[Tootle]

Stan:

Obama may get elected.  And I am puzzled why anybody of Jewish ancestry
would support him.

If anybody has done just a little research and study, it would be found that
Obama is a fellow traveler or acolyte of W.E.B. DuBois.   I do not ask
anyone to read all of Dubois’s writings.  Just read enough to get the gist
of what he believed and advocated.  Then follow his life, to when he left
USA to go to the Soviet Union, denounce his citizenship and then move to an
African country in his last years.

What is the tie in of Obama to DuBois?   First thing is that Obama has
stated that he is a ‘Progressive’.   Second, the church that until recently
Obama attended and until Obama won his first primary, openly advocated study
of DuBois.  DuBois writings were openly on their web site as recommended
study.  Obama surely knows this.

That word ‘Progressive’ has come to in today’s world to include what in the
past were called Marxist.  Marxist is an inclusive term that in the past has
included Communists, Social Democrats, and importantly National Socialist. 
Understand that Hitler was a German National Socialist and popularly
elected.  

I believe and contend that Obama’s true politics are essentially the same
socialist beliefs of the German National Socialist and the Soviet
Communists.  Ask the question, how did people of Jewish ancestry fair under
either of those socialist systems?  How can anybody of Jewish ancestry
accept that?

Socialism has lead to tyranny.  And Obama admits that he is a ‘Progressive’
[remember that word in todays language includes socialism, Marxism, etc.]

I am one small minority do not believe that we should go down that road
again.

Ed K
addendum:
"In Germany they first came for the Communists
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
 Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists
     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics
     and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
 Then they came for me
    and by that time no one was left to speak up.

 --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing Church
who spent seven years in a concentration camp.




quote author="stanleyl">
sorry guys -  been too busy to follow all this so not sure if you all are 
talking about Bush or Obama    the positive thing about Bush is that we have 
seen what he has accomplished - personally I think we have come to the point 
where the odds are better that we take advantage of the unknown rather than 
the known.  True, no one could be worse so on that basis the case could be 
made for McCain - but that's too close for comfort for my gambling soul. 
....so me and a lot of fellow traveler Republicans will be going with the 
safer of your evils this time around.   Sorry it could not have been Hilary 
so at least Brad could have joined us.

ss


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Brad's 25 minute demonstration of true 
evil[political]


> Ed,
>
> You wrote, "How many take time to understand who Obama is?"
>
> That Sir, is the problem in a nutshell.  I challenge anyone to look at The 
> Messiah's record as a "community organizer" and name one successful 
> outcome, especially in housing or education.  I'm not asking for a dozen 
> examples, not five, not even two, just ONE, thank-you very much.  The 
> reason he never talks about the last two decades of his career is because 
> there isn't much to talk about unless you include the substantial number 
> of far, far left crazies, Marxists, and convicted criminals he hung out 
> with and was supported by. Let's shift gears here, what has Barry written? 
> He's written two books, both about himself.  In what must be a first in 
> publishing, he was paid a $40,000 advance for the first one, an 
> auto-biography, and then advanced another $40,000 when he missed the first 
> deadline. OK, let's give credit where credit is due, perhaps no other 
> author in the history of publishing has pulled off such a feat so kudos to 
> the Big O.  What bills has he
> written as an Illinois or US Senator?  I'm not asking for a dozen bills, 
> not even five, just ONE single solitary bill that Obama was responsible 
> for writing  himself.  Oh, he was editor of the Harvard Law Review, very 
> impressive indeed.  What did he publish while holding that title?  Can 
> anyone point to a single legal brief he wrote as a practicing attorney? 
> That wouldn't be a fair question for his wife Michelle since she let her 
> law license lapse.  Who can blame her when she got a 100% raise after her 
> husband was elected US Senator.
>
> If people really want Marxism, then Barry is surely the Man! Time is doing 
> a 26 page puff-piece on The Obama  this week. You'll learn all about his 
> workout schedule, eating habits, etc., all the important stuff voters need 
> to know about a potential "leader of the Free World".  That may be 
> important to some, not to me.  Could someone, anyone, point out one single 
> success of any kind this man has achieved other than write about himself 
> and get elected to an office with no competition?  He ran a profitable hot 
> dog stand would be fine.  He was voted "paper boy of the year", he made 
> Eagle Scout, something, anything!
>
> Brad
>
>
> --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Brad's 25 minute demonstration of true evil 
>> [political]
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 7:56 AM
>> Brad,
>>
>> I watched the whole 25 minutes of Obama's speech.  All
>> I could think of was
>> Elmer Gantry, Jim Baker and kindred apostles.  Here is a
>> guy who neither
>> understands history nor economics nor human nature if he
>> believes what he
>> said, and I think that he does.
>>
>> And for all his acolytes on this forum, and the one ostrich
>> from Chicago
>> this is a real failure to distinguish this rhetoric from
>> what was recorded
>> from the USA’s founding fathers in the written documents
>> and supporting
>> discussions on the reasons for founding America.
>>
>> Socialism and its new cloak ‘progressive secularist’
>> has been demonstrated
>> to be a system that fails humanity.  Examples of current
>> European countries
>> using socialist programs are proffered as reasons why
>> America should adopt
>> same.  However, which system has created the greatest
>> advancements for human
>> kind?  Which country has the greatest wealth to give to
>> charitable causes?
>> It is not Greece, France, Italy and other socialist
>> systems.
>>
>> Obama’s speech demonstrated the most incredible lack of
>> understanding of
>> economics.   And the gullible just eat this up.  Obama and
>> his followers and
>> cohorts such as Nancy do not have a basic understanding of
>> what economics
>> calls wealth, understanding its creation and the human
>> spirit.
>>
>> Your comments are apparently understood by a small number
>> on this forum.
>> Obama has repeatedly stated he is a progressive.  There is
>> a failure to
>> understand that his word ‘progressive’ is really
>> contemporary language for
>> Marxism which is in old language communism, fascism, social
>> democracy, etc.,
>> etc.  And those systems have led to human misery and worse.
>> Read the results
>> of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, the Soviet Union, post WWII
>> Greece, etc.
>>
>> How many take time to understand who Obama is?  Thomas
>> Sowell illustrates
>> that in the following article:
>>
>> July 08, 2008
>> Conservatives for Obama?
>> By Thomas Sowell
>>
>> A number of friends of mine have commented on an odd
>> phenomenon that they
>> have observed-- conservative Republicans they know who are
>> saying that they
>> are going to vote for Barack Obama. It seemed at first to
>> be an isolated
>> fluke, perhaps signifying only that my friends know some
>> strange
>> conservatives. But apparently columnist Robert Novak has
>> encountered the
>> same phenomenon and has coined the term
>> "Obamacons" to describe the
>> conservatives for Senator Obama.
>>
>> Now the San Francisco Chronicle has run a feature article,
>> titled "Some
>> Influential Conservatives Spurn GOP and Endorse
>> Obama." In it they quote
>> various conservatives on why they are ready to take a
>> chance on Barack
>> Obama, rather than on John McCain.
>>
>>  What is going on?
>>
>> Partly what is going on is that, in recent years, the
>> Congressional
>> Republicans in general-- and Senator John McCain in
>> particular-- have so
>> alienated so many conservatives that some of these
>> conservatives are like a
>> drowning man grasping at a straw.
>>
>> The straw in this case is Obama's recent
>> "refining" of his position on a
>> number of issues, as he edges toward the center, in order
>> to try to pick up
>> more votes in November's general election.
>>
>> Understandable as the reactions of some conservatives may
>> be, a straw is a
>> very unreliable flotation device.
>>
>> If all that was involved was Democrats versus Republicans,
>> the Republicans
>> would deserve the condemnation they are getting, after
>> their years of wild
>> spending and their multiple betrayals of the principles and
>> the people who
>> got them elected. Amnesty for illegal aliens was perhaps
>> the worst betrayal.
>>
>> But, while the media may treat the elections as being about
>> Democrats and
>> Republicans-- the "horse race" approach--
>> elections were not set up by the
>> Constitution of the United States in order to enable party
>> politicians to
>> get jobs.
>>
>> Nor were elections set up in order to enable voters to vent
>> their emotions
>> or indulge their fantasies.
>>
>> Voting is a right but it is also a duty-- a duty not just
>> to show up on
>> election day, but a duty to give serious thought to the
>> alternatives on the
>> table and what those alternatives mean for the future of
>> the nation.
>>
>> What is becoming ever more painfully apparent is that too
>> many people this
>> year-- whether conservative, liberals or whatever-- are all
>> too willing to
>> judge Barack Obama on the basis of his election-year
>> rhetoric, rather than
>> on the record of what he has advocated and done during the
>> past two decades.
>>
>> Many are for him for no more serious reasons than his mouth
>> and his
>> complexion. The man has become a Rorschach test for the
>> feelings and hopes,
>> not only of those on the left, but also for some on the
>> right as well.
>>
>> Here is a man who has consistently aided and abetted people
>> who have openly
>> expressed their contempt for this country, both in words
>> and in such deeds
>> as planting bombs to advance their left-wing agenda.
>>
>> Despite the spin that judging Obama by what was said or
>> done by such people
>> would be "guilt by association," he has not just
>> associated with such
>> people. He has in some cases donated some serious money of
>> his own and even
>> more of the taxpayers' money, as both a state senator
>> in Illinois and a
>> member of the Senate of the United States.
>>
>> Barack Obama is on record as favoring the kinds of justices
>> who make policy,
>> not just carry out laws. No matter how he may
>> "refine" his position on this
>> issue, he voted against the confirmation of Chief Justice
>> John Roberts, who
>> was easily confirmed by more than three-quarters of the
>> Senators.
>>
>> Like people on the far left for literally centuries, Barack
>> Obama plays down
>> the dangers to the nation, and calls talk about such
>> dangers "the politics
>> of fear."
>>
>> Back in the 18th century, Helvetius said, "When I
>> speak I put on a mask.
>> When I act, I am forced to take it off." Too many
>> voters still have not
>> learned that lesson. They need to look at the track record
>> of Obama's
>> actions.
>>
>> Back in the days of "The Lone Ranger" program,
>> someone would ask, "Who is
>> that masked man?" People need to start asking that
>> question about Barack
>> Obama.
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
>> attachment:
>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18544314/Axis%2Bof%2BEvil.jpg
>> Axis+of+Evil.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Boys and Girls, I know this is a lot to ask, but listen
>> between minute 16
>> and 17-
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw
>>
>> Does this not scare the living shit out of you, or are you
>> made of steel?
>> Civilian Corps? What color shirts will they wear?
>> O'Baby, do you think the
>> rest of the country is as f*&k^d as the South Side of
>> Chicago?  Folks, we're
>> 4 months away from this kind of talk being the norm!
>>
>> God Save the Queen!
>>
>> Brad
>>
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