[Rhodes22-list] Which is Fastest?

Wed Jun 4 08:32:01 EDT 2008

Hank,
Here is a link to a pic I posted in May 2007 in a similar discussion. 
It's of our cabin top so you can see the position of the cleats.
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20070522/8577bc4a/attachment.jpg

With the genny furled to the point where you can sheet in over the 
cabintop there's not all that much sail out and it's a pretty 
straight run. The cam cleat holds the sheet well. Its a straight 
steady pull on it. Nothing to pop it out.

Here is what I said about the three sheet locations:
"The coaming track is next to the cockpit and the winches. Different
era boats seem to have different length track. Ours goes from the
front of the coaming (just aft of the cabin) to adjacent to the winch.

The side deck track runs alongside the cabin. I've attached a picture
but I haven't had any luck getting pictures through to the list so
I'll copy you on it directly.

The cabintop lead consists merely of a lead with a cam cleat - no
track - if you get the picture you can see the cleat between the
cleat for the topping lift and the poptop. There's a bullseye lead
further forward that I think we use with this but without a better
picture or being at the boat I don't recall. We haven't used the
cabintop sheeting arrangement enough. Usually when we get winds high
enough to make it useful, the waves are big enough that we don't want
to be out in it."

Capt. Slim had this to say about rerouting the sheets underway:
">OK, Bud, I'll take this one.  I have a 175% genny and I have to reef it in
 >to about 125(?) to get it inboard of the upper shrouds.  It's only a matter
 >of clearing the spreaders.  The sail has to be shortened enought so that it
 >can get under the spreaders without interference.  The exact amount may vary
 >from rig to rig.
 >
 >I re-route the sheets to the fair leads along side the cabin top (some boats
 >may not have this equipment)  and then to the winches.   My boat is also
 >equited with fair leads and cleats on the cabin roof if I want to sheet even
 >closer-hauled.  I'm just under 6' tall and I can re-route the jib sheets
 >from the cabin. if I have some one at the helm.  If I'm at the helm and my
 >first mate is doing it, she has to go forward on deck because her arms
 >aren't long enough to do it safely from the cabin.
 >
 >If I make this change under way, first I re-reout the windward (slack) sheet
 >to the inboard fairlead and winch.  Then I tack and reef in when the sail is
 >flagging and come about with the jib sheets in the new position.  Then I
 >re-route the now-windward sheet to the new position and I'm set.
 >
 >It helps a lot to have an experienced crew to execute this smoothly. but if
 >not, or you're single-handing, you can always "heave to" when making
 >changes.
 >
 >This only happens in higher winds when I have to reef in, AND I'm trying to
 >point as high as I can.  I have the pop top down to decrease windage and
 >heel, and the boom in the lower position (so-called "first reef") and, I'm
 >going fast so I can bring up the center board to about 3/4 to 1/2.  The
 >faster you go, the less board you need.  The less board, the less heel--but
 >the more side-slip leeway, so you have to learn to judge for yourself the
 >right balence for your boat, passengers and destination."

To which I replied:
"Ditto what Slim said - excellent description! One thing to add - I'm
short - a hair under 5 feet. If I have remembered to put the leads
on the inside track at mid point I can make the changes to the lazy
sheet using a boat hook to snag it and bring it back to the cockpit
inside the shrouds.  I don't let the bitter end  go until I have the
bight of the sheet in a good grip."
I was talking about the inside track on the sidedeck but it also 
applies to the cabintop leads (no track to worry about on the cabin top).

Hope this helps clarify.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD

At 07:07 AM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>Lee,
>
>Can you take a picture the next time you are down at the boat so I can see
>what you are talking about?  If I understand you correctly, you don't have a
>block on a track, just the sheet led through a cam cleat?  How do you keep
>it from popping out?
>
>Hank
>
>
>On 6/3/08, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > I have a cam cleat on the cabin top for running it between the mast and
> > inner shroud, and a cam cleat on the side of the cabin for running it
> > between the inner and outer shrouds.
> >
> > If the downside to furling headsails is poor sail shape and most cruisers
> > have furling headsails, I'm surprised more don't have multiple methods of
> > running their sheets.  The shape may not be perfect, but it's a huge
> > improvement.  From inside the cabin you can easily and safely change the
> > non-working sheet to all three positions.
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob Keller wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Lee,
> > > I have a question: How do you run the genoa sheet between the mast and
> > > inner shroud as indicated in B below?  I have never had any success doing
> > > this, but it seems like it would help (I was trying to point into 18-20
> > > knots last weekend and could have used that).
> > > Thanks.
> > > Bob K> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:50:54 -0700> From: LKUHN at cnmc.org> To:
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Which is Fastest?>
> > >
> > > > Great afternoon of sailing. Played around with three different sail
> > > plans to> see which would be the fastest. For all three; true wind was
> > > about 12-14> knots, centerboard was down, close reach of about 50 degrees
> > > with sails> adjusted properly, 10-15 degree heel, and the tiller was
> > > locked straight. I> did need to occasionally shift my weight slightly to
> > > keep on tack.> > A. Boom down. Genoa sheet between mast and inner shroud.
> > > Genoa reefed to> about 70%. Full main.> > B. Boom up. Genoa sheet between
> > > inner and outer shrouds. Genoa reefed to> about 110%. Main reefed to
> > about
> > > 60%.> > C. Boom up. No Genoa. Full main.> > Which do you think was
> > > fastest? Results surprised me.> > Lee> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease> Kent
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