[Rhodes22-list] Which is Fastest?

Wed Jun 4 08:42:07 EDT 2008

Thanks, ML.  That describes and displays it very well.

Hank

On 6/4/08, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>
> Hank,
> Here is a link to a pic I posted in May 2007 in a similar discussion.
> It's of our cabin top so you can see the position of the cleats.
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20070522/8577bc4a/attachment.jpg
>
> With the genny furled to the point where you can sheet in over the
> cabintop there's not all that much sail out and it's a pretty
> straight run. The cam cleat holds the sheet well. Its a straight
> steady pull on it. Nothing to pop it out.
>
> Here is what I said about the three sheet locations:
> "The coaming track is next to the cockpit and the winches. Different
> era boats seem to have different length track. Ours goes from the
> front of the coaming (just aft of the cabin) to adjacent to the winch.
>
> The side deck track runs alongside the cabin. I've attached a picture
> but I haven't had any luck getting pictures through to the list so
> I'll copy you on it directly.
>
> The cabintop lead consists merely of a lead with a cam cleat - no
> track - if you get the picture you can see the cleat between the
> cleat for the topping lift and the poptop. There's a bullseye lead
> further forward that I think we use with this but without a better
> picture or being at the boat I don't recall. We haven't used the
> cabintop sheeting arrangement enough. Usually when we get winds high
> enough to make it useful, the waves are big enough that we don't want
> to be out in it."
>
> Capt. Slim had this to say about rerouting the sheets underway:
> ">OK, Bud, I'll take this one.  I have a 175% genny and I have to reef it
> in
> >to about 125(?) to get it inboard of the upper shrouds.  It's only a
> matter
> >of clearing the spreaders.  The sail has to be shortened enought so that
> it
> >can get under the spreaders without interference.  The exact amount may
> vary
> >from rig to rig.
> >
> >I re-route the sheets to the fair leads along side the cabin top (some
> boats
> >may not have this equipment)  and then to the winches.   My boat is also
> >equited with fair leads and cleats on the cabin roof if I want to sheet
> even
> >closer-hauled.  I'm just under 6' tall and I can re-route the jib sheets
> >from the cabin. if I have some one at the helm.  If I'm at the helm and my
> >first mate is doing it, she has to go forward on deck because her arms
> >aren't long enough to do it safely from the cabin.
> >
> >If I make this change under way, first I re-reout the windward (slack)
> sheet
> >to the inboard fairlead and winch.  Then I tack and reef in when the sail
> is
> >flagging and come about with the jib sheets in the new position.  Then I
> >re-route the now-windward sheet to the new position and I'm set.
> >
> >It helps a lot to have an experienced crew to execute this smoothly. but
> if
> >not, or you're single-handing, you can always "heave to" when making
> >changes.
> >
> >This only happens in higher winds when I have to reef in, AND I'm trying
> to
> >point as high as I can.  I have the pop top down to decrease windage and
> >heel, and the boom in the lower position (so-called "first reef") and, I'm
> >going fast so I can bring up the center board to about 3/4 to 1/2.  The
> >faster you go, the less board you need.  The less board, the less
> heel--but
> >the more side-slip leeway, so you have to learn to judge for yourself the
> >right balence for your boat, passengers and destination."
>
> To which I replied:
> "Ditto what Slim said - excellent description! One thing to add - I'm
> short - a hair under 5 feet. If I have remembered to put the leads
> on the inside track at mid point I can make the changes to the lazy
> sheet using a boat hook to snag it and bring it back to the cockpit
> inside the shrouds.  I don't let the bitter end  go until I have the
> bight of the sheet in a good grip."
> I was talking about the inside track on the sidedeck but it also
> applies to the cabintop leads (no track to worry about on the cabin top).
>
> Hope this helps clarify.
>
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
> At 07:07 AM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
> >Lee,
> >
> >Can you take a picture the next time you are down at the boat so I can see
> >what you are talking about?  If I understand you correctly, you don't have
> a
> >block on a track, just the sheet led through a cam cleat?  How do you keep
> >it from popping out?
> >
> >Hank
> >
> >
> >On 6/3/08, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > I have a cam cleat on the cabin top for running it between the mast and
> > > inner shroud, and a cam cleat on the side of the cabin for running it
> > > between the inner and outer shrouds.
> > >
> > > If the downside to furling headsails is poor sail shape and most
> cruisers
> > > have furling headsails, I'm surprised more don't have multiple methods
> of
> > > running their sheets.  The shape may not be perfect, but it's a huge
> > > improvement.  From inside the cabin you can easily and safely change
> the
> > > non-working sheet to all three positions.
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob Keller wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lee,
> > > > I have a question: How do you run the genoa sheet between the mast
> and
> > > > inner shroud as indicated in B below?  I have never had any success
> doing
> > > > this, but it seems like it would help (I was trying to point into
> 18-20
> > > > knots last weekend and could have used that).
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Bob K> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:50:54 -0700> From: LKUHN at cnmc.org>
> To:
> > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Which is
> Fastest?>
> > > >
> > > > > Great afternoon of sailing. Played around with three different sail
> > > > plans to> see which would be the fastest. For all three; true wind
> was
> > > > about 12-14> knots, centerboard was down, close reach of about 50
> degrees
> > > > with sails> adjusted properly, 10-15 degree heel, and the tiller was
> > > > locked straight. I> did need to occasionally shift my weight slightly
> to
> > > > keep on tack.> > A. Boom down. Genoa sheet between mast and inner
> shroud.
> > > > Genoa reefed to> about 70%. Full main.> > B. Boom up. Genoa sheet
> between
> > > > inner and outer shrouds. Genoa reefed to> about 110%. Main reefed to
> > > about
> > > > 60%.> > C. Boom up. No Genoa. Full main.> > Which do you think was
> > > > fastest? Results surprised me.> > Lee> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease> Kent
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