[Rhodes22-list] Brad, Elle, Slim, et al... (Big Al Delete)(Political references)(Save America Campaign)

john Belanger jhnblngr at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 6 13:09:09 EDT 2008 

brad,
i agree its the best system but its not perfect, and, it could be better. my theory has always been that the best system wins. but if its the best, all you have to do is continually demonstrate how to handle the worlds problems using your system. it will prove itself if its the best. my mom use to say you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. its up to the horse to decide. true, but it is also true that if you are riding the horse, it is necessary to make the horse drink. otherwise it threatens your ability to get where you are going. i don't believe in forcing our system down other countries throats. if they don't want it then leave them to their own devices. in terms of education, emphasis is now on job skills, and not anything unrelated to work, money or security. don't blame the child. we teach them what they know or don't. its a grab for resources by whatever means that galls me. sometimes our behavior demonstrates that we don't
 deserve to be at the top of the heap. 
john b


--- On Fri, 6/6/08, brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Brad, Elle, Slim, et al... (Big Al Delete)(Political references)(Save America Campaign)
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 2:35 AM
> John,
> 
> Reality!  I sat next to a sweet young thing from China
> going to college in the US for 13 hours plus and we got on
> the subject of history.  I apologized for not knowing
> history beyond the Ming and Ching Dynasty but it
> wouldn't have mattered.  She didn't know Jack, same
> as any given youngster her age in the US.  
> 
> Here's what I like about the private sector - I can
> move on.  While you and I are having this debate, there are
> countries that are moving on.  You're blowing smoke up
> your ass if you think that there is something unique about
> the US when it comes to basic human needs.  I don't
> mind how much smoke you blow up your ass, as long as I
> don't have to pay for the smoke or suffer the
> consequences of you decisions. In the long history of
> mankind, nothing has put more food on the table or given
> people more freedom than capitalism.  Yeah, it needs checks
> and balances, but it beats every other form of government. 
> There will be just enough capitalism left during my
> lifetime to tell all the people with "a better
> idea" to go to hell.  History is all about
> re-inventing the wheel.
> 
> You and I will be dead when this whole thing plays out. 
> People who are self-starters will always survive. Good luck
> with your program!
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 6/6/08, john Belanger
> <jhnblngr at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Brad, Elle, Slim, et
> al... (Big Al Delete)(Political references)(Save America
> Campaign)
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 1:44 AM
> > brad
> > just one question:
> > how can you have so much confidence in the private
> sector,
> > and yet describe them this way: 
> > "I think most of the electorate is  ignorant of
> > history,  economics, and politics, but that's just
> the
> > mean-spirited, selfish,  and reality-based side of me
> > coming out."
> > my belief, and perhaps false hope, is that government
> is
> > supposed to maintain a level playing field for all
> citizens
> > in their "pursuit" of happiness.
> > someone once complained about people who denigrated
> > religious faith in the "new age of reason"
> as
> > unnecessary. to which the response was, you don't
> want
> > to be facing the devil without the shield of religious
> > faith between you and him. thats what i expect of my
> > government....a shield to defend me from excesses of
> the
> > private sector.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > s/v 1969 venture 21
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Brad Haslett
> <flybrad at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Brad, Elle, Slim, et
> > al... (Big Al Delete)(Political references)(Save
> America
> > Campaign)
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 10:55 PM
> > > Ed,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "I am sorry that you bought into the fellow
> > travelers
> > > idea that compulsory
> > > purchase contracts by a government agency is the
> same
> > as
> > > collective
> > > bargaining.  In the compulsory contracts for
> > > pharmaceuticals there just
> > > might be unintended consequences."
> > > 
> > > Where did you ever get that idea?  That is the
> > antithesis
> > > of my thought
> > > process. I believe there are damn few things that
> the
> > > government can do
> > > better than the private sector.  We're going
> to
> > get
> > > some form of "national"
> > > healthcare regardless of which party takes power.
>  The
> > > country is in the
> > > mood. I think most of the electorate is  ignorant
> of
> > > history,  economics,
> > > and politics, but that's just the
> mean-spirited,
> > > selfish,  and reality-based
> > > side of me coming out.
> > > 
> > > BTW, I was the  guest of a government Kuhuna last
> week
> > > (sent his driver for
> > > us in a brand-new Audi) for tea (actually I drank
> free
> > > communist beer).
> > > Life is good if you're in control.  The
> difference
> > is,
> > > in this country, I
> > > can complain about the quality of the government
> > provided
> > > "free" beer.
> > > 
> > > We have the farthest left candidate nominated for
> > President
> > > in the history
> > > of the nation.  He's being propped-up by the
> MSM
> > which
> > > is pretty far left
> > > themselves.  I hope everyone has their eyes open.
>  I
> > have
> > > my exit plan.  Do
> > > you?
> > > 
> > > Brad
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Tootle
> > > <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Brad:
> > > >
> > > > Keep the political references coming.  Your
> last
> > post
> > > that had the
> > > > reference
> > > > to:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/06/obama-tell-us-what-a-sacrifice.html
> > > >
> > > > lead to a very good analysis:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDkyZTNiZDdkMTNiNzViZTYxNDU0MTY4MzMzMzNmZDU=
> > > >
> > > > I am sorry that you bought into the fellow
> > travelers
> > > idea that compulsory
> > > > purchase contracts by a government agency is
> the
> > same
> > > as collective
> > > > bargaining.  In the compulsory contracts for
> > > pharmaceuticals there just
> > > > might be unintended consequences.  Small
> unique
> > drug
> > > makers may be forced
> > > > not to participate resulting in their demise
> > because
> > > of the very
> > > > specialized
> > > > uses of their products.  When complying with
> > request
> > > for lower costs, jobs
> > > > will be shipped overseas.  One of the first
> cost
> > > cutting techniques of just
> > > > looking at the bottom line and not the
> future is
> > > research, which will be
> > > > left to foreign concerns.
> > > >
> > > > In contrast, you have benefitted from
> collective
> > > bargaining where first, if
> > > > you did not like the contract, you had
> freedom to
> > work
> > > elsewhere.
> > > > Additionally, FEDX concluded that the skill
> level
> > of
> > > its employees was very
> > > > important to the success of its business
> model. 
> > > Additionally, detailed
> > > > analysis of the contracts show that the
> company
> > can
> > > still make a ROI that
> > > > keeps it in business.
> > > >
> > > > Mixing the two concepts is just the Marxist
> way
> > of
> > > inching away at
> > > > individual freedoms.
> > > >
> > > > Since you have unique research resources,
> where
> > is a
> > > good article that
> > > > clearly demonstrates Obama's socialist
> (for
> > those
> > > not willing to accept
> > > > that
> > > > word, Marxist) economic ideology as having
> its
> > > historical roots in the
> > > > concepts and beliefs of W.E.B. Dubois.
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully, Elle has been reading the
> articles to
> > the
> > > point of
> > > > comprehension.
> > > >
> > > > Ed K
> > > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > > > attachment:
> > > >
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p17645451/today.jpg
> > > today.jpg
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