[Rhodes22-list] Math -- Zero Sum Games

Fri Jun 6 21:43:19 EDT 2008

Bill,

I'm changing clothes and out the door. I'll give you an update on zero-sum
philosophy tomorrow but I'm pretty sure that the casino has looked at the
odds and they don't fear my arrival. It took a total of five universities
(I'm not making this shit up) to find one that offered a degree in
accounting that didn't require calculus.  I don't do math but I have a
spouse that won a math competition in Beijing in the 8th grade.  Beijing was
pretty small then, maybe that's not something one should brag about. My goal
tonight and tomorrow is not to come home zero-sum.  On the other hand, my
MasterCard does contribute to Cora 2% of all spending to her 529 plan.

Let me try this line: "Honestly honey, I didn't buy a hooker, I was saving
money for our daughters education".

Nope!  Let me work on that some more.

Brad

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Brad,
>
> Although many sources define zero sum games the way you have defined
> them, (the pie analogy) that is not the original definition.  I agree
> that the pie definition makes no sense.
>
> If a pie is the game, then we would have to call it a one sum game,
> wherein any player taking more of the pie leaves the others with
> less--but the sum remains 1 (pie) -- each player gets a fraction.
>
> Flipping a coin is a zero-sum game.  One wins, one loses, +1-1=0 -- zero
> sum.  There can be no ties -- the edge of the coin is too thin.
>
> Tic-Tac-Toe is not a zero sum game.  Ties are possible. 1/2 win + 1/2
> win = 1.  A 1 sum game.
>
> Football is neither a zero-sum nor a one-sum game -- which is why
> point-spreads are possible.
>
> Poker is an interesting zero sum game, in which the losses of all the
> others equal the winning pot--unless there is a house rake, in which
> case, it is a less than zero sum game for the participants.
>
> Similarly, taxes can never be a zero-sum game because of government
> overhead costs, be they fraud, inefficiency, or unequal representation.
>
> Sorry about the side trip, I just see the concept of a "zero sum game"
> misrepresented so often I wanted to go back to find its real meaning.
> The way it is commonly used, it makes no sense.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > The single biggest fallacy in economics is the 'zero sum game', ie, the
> pie
> > is only so big and if someone else has a bigger slice then I'm being
> > cheated.  What if someone bakes a whole new flavor of pie?  Say, a Bill
> > Gates (who is barely on the top ten list anymore) creates something that
> > didn't exist before, is there less to eat or more to eat because a whole
> new
> > dish has been created?
> >
> > Now John has a point, education is the key to success, to a point.
>  Michelle
> > Obama has been handed the keys to a first class education at two
> different
> > Ivy League universities and she's bitter.  The Asian, or whatever, that
> was
> > displaced to make room for Michelle has a valid reason to be bitter.  My
> > bets are that they did quite well with their second choice and MovedOn.
> > Access to higher education is the least of our worries.  Graduating
> people
> > from K-12 that can actually read is a bigger issue.  Money won't solve
> that
> > problem.  Work ethic is taught at home.  Destroy the home and you've
> > destroyed society.
> >
> > Speaking of children, I've got to leave for the airport to meet my
> youngest
> > son's Grandfather. He's flying in to Memphis to drive Fan's car back to
> > California so Alex can report to his new assignment.  I would worry about
> a
> > 75 year old man driving that distance non-stop in two days but he's
> ex-Army
> > Special Forces.  He'll run at 110% until his heart quits beating.
> >
> > There's a lot of good men/women in this country!
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I firmly believe that one of the major things that divides the left from
> >> the right is that the left seems to believe that there's only so much
> >> wealth to go around, and if someone is getting more than their "share",
> >> that means someone else is doing without.
> >>
> >> Most CEO's probably aren't worth what they get paid, but that's OK by
> >> me. The people who decide how much they get paid are the ones that
> >> should be making that choice, not me. I hear lots of workers talk about
> >> how much more they should be getting paid because the company is making
> >> money, but I can't remember ever hearing about employees saying their
> >> pay should be cut because the company's doing poorly.
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>
> >>> Herb,
> >>>
> >>> Everyone is hung-up on the "who's is bigger" issue.  I have no idea
> what
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> CEO of my employer is paid, its public information but I'm too lazy to
> >>>
> >> look
> >>
> >>> it up.  What difference does it make?  He pays me well and treats me
> well
> >>>
> >> -
> >>
> >>> I didn't risk my entire net worth to get the thing off the ground, let
> >>>
> >> him
> >>
> >>> have his reward. Same as Bill Gates, who cares if he's worth 5 million,
> >>>
> >> 500
> >>
> >>> million, or 50 Billion.  Everyone benefits from his efforts.  JFK said
> it
> >>> best, "a rising tide raises all boats".  So what if a few people in
> China
> >>> are becoming ridiculously wealthy.  The number of peasants is declining
> >>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>> the middle class is growing exponentially.  You don't build the weak by
> >>> attacking the strong.  "Heaven on Earth" doesn't exist, but there's
> never
> >>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>> shortage of messengers to woo the foolish that it does.
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> And, as usual, you clearly demonstrate what I'm talking about.
> >>>>
> >>>> You and I say "judge the cat on how well he catches mice. To us,
> juding
> >>>> that way constitutes a "level playing field".
> >>>>
> >>>> However, to some, the fact that the black cat can hide in the dark
> means
> >>>> that the playing field is not level. Thus, the farmer (the
> "governmnet")
> >>>> needs to step in by either providing additional mice in the grey cat's
> >>>> hunting ground, lowering the expectations for the deprived grey cat,
> or
> >>>> painting the black cat grey so their equal.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> brad haslett wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh what the hell, let's reinvent the wheel.  China experimented with
> >>>>>
> >> "the
> >>
> >>>> level playing field" and when that didn't work they reinvented
> >>>>
> >> reinventing
> >>
> >>>> the wheel with the Cultural Revolution. Then the idea of "I don't care
> >>>>
> >> if
> >>
> >>>> it's a black cat or a grey cat, as long as it catches mice" came along
> >>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>> now they're rapidly catching up with us and will soon kick our ass.
>  We,
> >>>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>>> the other hand, are trying to defy history and the nature of the
> entire
> >>>> human race.  As Santayana said, "those who are ignorant of history are
> >>>> doomed to repeat it!"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> There's a lot of ignorance in this country.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brad
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Fri, 6/6/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Brad, Elle, Slim, et al... (Big Al
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> Delete)(Political references)(Save America Campaign)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 11:31 AM
> >>>>>> I think the the notion that the government should provide a
> >>>>>> "level
> >>>>>> playing field" is valid, the problem comes in the
> >>>>>> definition of what is
> >>>>>> a "level playing field".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry, but if MY expectation of a level playing field is
> >>>>>> that my childre
> >>>>>> be given the same financial opportunities as the children
> >>>>>> of Bill Gates,
> >>>>>> then my expectations are skewed. Bill's money is his to
> >>>>>> do with as he
> >>>>>> pleases.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Obviously, that's an extreme example, but that's
> >>>>>> part of the problem.
> >>>>>> Everyone has different notions of what constitutes a
> >>>>>> "level playing field".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "and *perhaps false hope*, is that government is
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> supposed to maintain a level playing field for all citizens
> >>>>>> in their "pursuit" of happiness."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All one has to do is look at the situation we are in
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> now, (the last 5 years) to realize that your dream of a
> >>>>>> level playing field via gov't control is just exactly
> >>>>>> that ... a dream and not a very good one at that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Money flows to where it gets treated the best. When
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> prices are artificially high or low that flow can become a
> >>>>>> flood. Had the gov't stayed out of the banking business
> >>>>>> for example and let interest rates assume their own natural
> >>>>>> level, we wouldn't be seeing the collapse of a housing
> >>>>>> bubble now. Instead we have mega-wealthy bankers who are
> >>>>>> not held responsible for their own foolishness, a currency
> >>>>>> that is fast becoming useless and 4 dollar gas, just to
> >>>>>> name a few. Was that the help ... the level playing field
> >>>>>> you were hoping for? That's what your gov'ts
> >>>>>> meddling is doing for you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rik
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In a centrally planned economy people get what they
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> deserve, but rarely what they really want. Mistakes tend to
> >>>>>> be enormous...and petty. Results vary, but experiments with
> >>>>>> central planning always end in pathetic messes.....Bill
> >>>>>> Bonner
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> john Belanger wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> brad
> >>>>>>>> just one question:
> >>>>>>>> how can you have so much confidence in the private
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> sector, and yet describe them this way:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "I think most of the electorate is  ignorant
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> of history,  economics, and politics, but that's just
> >>>>>> the mean-spirited, selfish,  and reality-based side of me
> >>>>>> coming out."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> my belief, and perhaps false hope, is that
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> government is supposed to maintain a level playing field
> >>>>>> for all citizens in their "pursuit" of happiness.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> someone once complained about people who
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> denigrated religious faith in the "new age of
> >>>>>> reason" as unnecessary. to which the response was, you
> >>>>>> don't want to be facing the devil without the shield of
> >>>>>> religious faith between you and him. thats what i expect of
> >>>>>> my government....a shield to defend me from excesses of the
> >>>>>> private sector.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> s/v 1969 venture 21
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Brad Haslett
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Brad, Elle, Slim,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> et al... (Big Al Delete)(Political references)(Save America
> >>>>>> Campaign)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 10:55 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Ed,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "I am sorry that you bought into the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> fellow travelers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> idea that compulsory
> >>>>>>>>> purchase contracts by a government agency is
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the same as
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> collective
> >>>>>>>>> bargaining.  In the compulsory contracts for
> >>>>>>>>> pharmaceuticals there just
> >>>>>>>>> might be unintended consequences."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Where did you ever get that idea?  That is the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> antithesis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> of my thought
> >>>>>>>>> process. I believe there are damn few things
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> that the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> government can do
> >>>>>>>>> better than the private sector.  We're
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> going to get
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> some form of "national"
> >>>>>>>>> healthcare regardless of which party takes
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> power.  The
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> country is in the
> >>>>>>>>> mood. I think most of the electorate is
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> ignorant of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> history,  economics,
> >>>>>>>>> and politics, but that's just the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> mean-spirited,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> selfish,  and reality-based
> >>>>>>>>> side of me coming out.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> BTW, I was the  guest of a government Kuhuna
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> last week
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> (sent his driver for
> >>>>>>>>> us in a brand-new Audi) for tea (actually I
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> drank free
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> communist beer).
> >>>>>>>>> Life is good if you're in control.  The
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> difference is,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> in this country, I
> >>>>>>>>> can complain about the quality of the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> government provided
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "free" beer.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We have the farthest left candidate nominated
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> for President
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> in the history
> >>>>>>>>> of the nation.  He's being propped-up by
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the MSM which
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> is pretty far left
> >>>>>>>>> themselves.  I hope everyone has their eyes
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> open.  I have
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> my exit plan.  Do
> >>>>>>>>> you?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Tootle
> >>>>>>>>> <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Brad:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Keep the political references coming.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your last post
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> that had the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> reference
> >>>>>>>>>> to:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/06/obama-tell-us-what-a-sacrifice.html
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> lead to a very good analysis:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDkyZTNiZDdkMTNiNzViZTYxNDU0MTY4MzMzMzNmZDU=
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am sorry that you bought into the fellow
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> travelers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> idea that compulsory
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> purchase contracts by a government agency
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> is the same
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> as collective
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> bargaining.  In the compulsory contracts
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> pharmaceuticals there just
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> might be unintended consequences.  Small
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> unique drug
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> makers may be forced
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> not to participate resulting in their
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> demise because
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> of the very
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> specialized
> >>>>>>>>>> uses of their products.  When complying
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> with request
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> for lower costs, jobs
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> will be shipped overseas.  One of the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> first cost
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> cutting techniques of just
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> looking at the bottom line and not the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> future is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> research, which will be
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> left to foreign concerns.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In contrast, you have benefitted from
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> collective
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> bargaining where first, if
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> you did not like the contract, you had
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> freedom to work
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> elsewhere.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Additionally, FEDX concluded that the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> skill level of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> its employees was very
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> important to the success of its business
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> model.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Additionally, detailed
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> analysis of the contracts show that the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> company can
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> still make a ROI that
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> keeps it in business.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Mixing the two concepts is just the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Marxist way of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> inching away at
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> individual freedoms.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Since you have unique research resources,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> where is a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> good article that
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> clearly demonstrates Obama's socialist
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> (for those
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> not willing to accept
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> word, Marxist) economic ideology as having
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> its
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> historical roots in the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> concepts and beliefs of W.E.B. Dubois.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hopefully, Elle has been reading the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> articles to the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> point of
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> comprehension.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ed K
> >>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>>>>>>>> attachment:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p17645451/today.jpg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> today.jpg
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>
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> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
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