[Rhodes22-list] Mac 26M; bunkmate

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Fri Jun 27 13:04:29 EDT 2008 

Elle,

Gotta love a "sailboat" that only lists the following items in the "Performance Summary" on the spec sheet ( http://www.hunterowners.com/images/edge/specs.pdf ):

        PERFORMANCE SUMMARY
        Best Fuel Efficiency: 8.7 MPG with a range of 94 Miles @ 6.7 MPH
        Top Speed: 19.9 MPH
        Acceleration: 5.71 seconds to plane

Now if I could do this trick under sail, I might consider theEdge:
http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/fpix.tpl?xfno=2&uid=73293228873&sku=2008168154531.46

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY


From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:46 PM
> Here's an entrant into the field from Hunter:
> 
> http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/pviewall.tpl?uid=73293228873&sku=2008168154531.46&forumabr=aao&fno=2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> elle
> 
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
> 
> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fun and Games with A Mac 26M, reply
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 12:34 PM
>> Ed,
>> 
>> I do think that MacGregor is having some problems.  
>> When they killed the 26X in favor of the 26M, they 
>> omitted/changed some of the features that attracted 
>> the casual boat owner and added some that were of 
>> questionable value.  The 26M (IMHO) is not as 
>> attractive as the 26X.
>> 
>> Given the construction and delivery chain problems 
>> alluded to in Jay Hersh's note, there is some remedial 
>> work to be done, if only to the face presented to the 
>> public.  There was a Mac rep in Maine, but he dropped 
>> the Mac line when the 26M came out.
>> 
>> Stan certainly has nothing to fear from the 26M.
>> 
>> /Robert
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Tootle wrote:
>> > 
>> > Robert,
>> > 
>> > And Stan thought he had issues with his people.  He
>> ought to read it to his
>> > guys, that is, if he can translate it to Spanish.
>> > 
>> > And Stan knows the head fellow of MacGregor!
>> > 
>> > If only half of this is true, I guess it means that
>> MacGregor is going
>> > under.  However, the dealer who delivered should have
>> taken time to check it
>> > out.  Car dealerships used to check out a car prior to
>> delivery.  Quick way
>> > to ruin a business.
>> > 
>> > On the otherhand, this guy may lack ordinary common
>> boat sense and expect
>> > after a long trip that everything is perfect.  That is
>> why Stan either goes
>> > thru the basics at the plant if it is a pick up or
>> sends an experienced
>> > person to assist with the initial set up.
>> > 
>> > Ed K
>> > Greenville, SC, USA
>> >
>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18154416/economics%2B101.jpg
>> economics+101.jpg
>> > 
>> > Robert Skinner wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I received the following message from a fellow
>> sailor,
>> > > and thought I'd pass it on.  While I have not
>> verified
>> > > the details and cannot vouch for the accuracy
>> thereof,
>> > > the general tone seems to indicate caution where
>> Macs
>> > > are concerned...
>> > >
>> > > /Robert
>> > >
>> > > -------- Original Message --------
>> > > Subject: re: August sail
>> > > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:20:27 -0400
>> > > From: "Jay Hersh aka Dr. Beer(R)"
>> <jsh at doctorbeer.com>
>> > >
>> > > We bought a MacGregor 26M from a Colorado dealer
>> named Kelly Hanson
>> > > because
>> > > they had showed at the Boston boat show and there
>> are no MacGregor dealers
>> > > for 400 miles so it was going to have to be
>> shipped to us anyway. We
>> > > ordered it in March and Kelly Hanson got the
>> check on April 1st. It
>> > > cleared
>> > > my bank account April 3rd, and sincethis takes 2
>> days for out of state
>> > > checks, they must have deposited the day they got
>> it. That was the last
>> > > thing about this transaction they did in a prompt
>> manner. The boat didn't
>> > > arrive until Memorial Day, a month late. It is
>> riddled with problems.
>> > > Major
>> > > problems.
>> > >
>> > > - Engine won't go into reverse and starts in
>> gear because the throttle
>> > > cable was not installed correctly.
>> > > - the Engine wasn't inspected by an
>> authorized dealer BRP, the parent
>> > > company of Evinrude, won't validate the
>> warranty until I have this done.
>> > > - Steering linkage was either a bad design or
>> incorrectly installed
>> > > because
>> > > you can't turn to starboard
>> > > - the trailer torsion bars were never adjusted so
>> the fenders were rubbing
>> > > the tires. Because the flatbed that was supposed
>> to deliver it from CO
>> > > broke down in PA the trailer was towed by some
>> 3rd party shipper the last
>> > > 400 miles. This resulted in the side light wiring
>> chafing away.
>> > > - Speaker wire was used to extend the 14AWG
>> marine grade wire that
>> > > connects
>> > > the 30 Amp main switch panel to the battery.
>> > > - the connection between the 30 Amp panel and the
>> battery had a 10 Amp
>> > > fuse
>> > > wired inline, not a 30 Amp. So if you flipped
>> more than one switch on the
>> > > panel the fuse would blow
>> > > - the 12 volt power socket which has 20 guage
>> wiring and is designed for
>> > > no
>> > > more than 10 Amps had the 30 Amp inline fuse
>> wired into it
>> > > - the engine wasn't connected to the
>> batteries via the battery selection
>> > > switch
>> > > - the 2nd battery I was sold ($195 for the
>> battery, Perko battery switch
>> > > and installation) was a 75 Amp trolling motor
>> battery
>> > > - the main battery on the boat was a 450 Amp, not
>> the proper size for the
>> > > ETec 50HP engine I ordered which the manufacturer
>> spec says should have a
>> > > max cranking amperage of 1000 Amps
>> > > - the stereo I bought was advertised and invoiced
>> as a "Marine" stereo but
>> > > instead a car stereo was installed. It was
>> installed in the wrong place
>> > > and
>> > > it wasn't even hooked up right. there was no
>> fuse in the inline fuse
>> > > holder
>> > > and the wire on the positive wasn't stripped
>> before being crimped in the
>> > > connector end
>> > > - They stiffed me for the main sheet, genoa sheet
>> and genoa cars
>> > > - The $495 Genoa that is advertised as having a
>> sewn on UV cover didn't
>> > >
>> > > This is just the short list. There are 2 full
>> pages of defects on this
>> > > boat.
>> > >
>> > > When I tried to contact Kelly Hanson both the
>> Sales Director who had sold
>> > > me the boat (Jeff Stagg) and the Chief Financial
>> Officer (Andrew Etzen)
>> > > who
>> > > I'd also dealt with previously ignored
>> repeated emails and calls. I posted
>> > > something on the MacGregor Sailors web page and
>> the owner of the company
>> > > Art Kelly called me names and said that if
>> I'd only called him he'd have
>> > > corrected everything. So I called him and he said
>> to email him the list of
>> > > problems and the pics I took of them. That was
>> three weeks ago, and as you
>> > > might be guessing he didn't respond to my
>> email.
>> > >
>> > > Next I contacted the East Coast Sales Rep who
>> only recently started with
>> > > them and works part time while having a day job.
>> He's a nice guy and he
>> > > came out to my house near Boston two weeks aga
>> and took a look at the
>> > > lemon
>> > > of a boat they sent me (we've nicknamed it
>> the Albatross for now) and when
>> > > I told him that I should be getting refunded at
>> lesat some of my $ for the
>> > > slipshod work his reply was that calling it
>> slipshod "was being kind." He
>> > > put together an action list and sent it out to
>> Colorado. The CO office has
>> > > done nothing. They haven't bothered to doing
>> even the easy stuff on the
>> > > action list like mailing me the missing parts and
>> they have yet to send me
>> > > a dime.
>> > >
>> > > I've had to shell out $300 to have the
>> trailer repaired earlier this week
>> > > so I could tow it to the closest Evinrude dealer
>> to have the warranty
>> > > inspection done, the throttle properly connected
>> and a battery sized for
>> > > starting this engine installed. That's going
>> to cost a bunch more $.
>> > >
>> > > In the meantime Kelly Hanson is blaming MacGregor
>> for some of these
>> > > problems since it's a custom built trailer
>> and MacGregor installed the
>> > > engine. They haven't owned up to the
>> miserable and hazardous wiring job
>> > > they did and refunded me the $ for the labor on
>> it or the cost of the
>> > > stereo plus installation. Summer starts
>> > >
>> > > The hybrid power sailer of the MacGregor is in
>> principle a good design.
>> > > MacGregor itself cuts just about every corner
>> they can to squeeze a $1
>> > > more
>> > > profit out it. They make claims about the boat
>> that just plain aren't true
>> > > which I won't go into those here. They
>> don't stand behind their 2 year
>> > > warranty, and they aren't even remotely close
>> to being qualified to
>> > > install
>> > > engines on their boats.
>> > >
>> > > Kelly Hanson has a nice web site. They've
>> been selling MacGregors for 1.5
>> > > to 2 years and have become the largest reseller.
>> Almost nothing Jeff Stagg
>> > > their sales Director told me about the boat
>> before I bought it is true. He
>> > > misrepresented so many things about it I
>> don't know where to start. There
>> > > is no supervision of whoever is doing the install
>> work on the boats of the
>> > > options they sell, and despite a lot of huffing
>> and puffing from Art Kelly
>> > > (who also runs Freedom Boat Works) they don't
>> stand behind the boats they
>> > > sell.
>> > >
>> > > So just like Ishmail in Moby Dick, I'm here
>> to tell you my tale so that
>> > > you
>> > > might avoid my fate. Think twice or even thrice
>> before you decide to buy a
>> > > MacGregor because even if it is delivered in the
>> condition it is supposed
>> > > to you'll spend lots and lots of money and
>> time just replacing the cheap
>> > > hardware they use (most of which is designed for
>> much smaller day sailers)
>> > > with quality stuff. Definitely DO NOT BUY A BOAT
>> FROM KELLY HANSON
>> > > MARINE!!!! Tell anyone you know that might be
>> thinking of buying a
>> > > MacGregor not to buy from Kelly Hanson Marine.
>> Tell them to tell everyone
>> > > they know. Believe me you'll be doing people
>> you never even met a huge,
>> > > huge favor.
>> > >
>> > > If the boat weren't in the shop I'd
>> probably be working another 10-12 hour
>> > > day on it in the fading hope of getting to sail
>> it this year instead of
>> > > writing this email.
>> > > Hope all your summers go better than mine has
>> started out.
>> > >
>> > > Jay
>> > >
>> > > PS I've created the website
>> KellyHansonMarineSucks.com and will be posting
>> > > a list of the defects the boat arrived with,
>> pictures of the slipshod work
>> > > that was done by them and MacGregor, the timeline
>> of events, and other
>> > > details.
>> > >
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>> s/v "Little Dipper" & "Edith P."
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