[Rhodes22-list] Mac 26M; bunkmate

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 27 13:15:13 EDT 2008 

It just looks really WEIRD to see a sailboat up on plane. 

elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mac 26M; bunkmate
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 1:04 PM
> Elle,
> 
> Gotta love a "sailboat" that only lists the
> following items in the "Performance Summary" on
> the spec sheet (
> http://www.hunterowners.com/images/edge/specs.pdf ):
> 
>         PERFORMANCE SUMMARY
>         Best Fuel Efficiency: 8.7 MPG with a range of 94
> Miles @ 6.7 MPH
>         Top Speed: 19.9 MPH
>         Acceleration: 5.71 seconds to plane
> 
> Now if I could do this trick under sail, I might consider
> theEdge:
> http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/fpix.tpl?xfno=2&uid=73293228873&sku=2008168154531.46
> 
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>Sent:
> Friday, June 27, 2008 12:46 PM
> > Here's an entrant into the field from Hunter:
> > 
> >
> http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/pviewall.tpl?uid=73293228873&sku=2008168154531.46&forumabr=aao&fno=2
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > elle
> > 
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can adjust our sails.
> > 
> > 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>   (Lady in Red)
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Robert Skinner
> <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Robert Skinner
> <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fun and Games with A
> Mac 26M, reply
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 12:34 PM
> >> Ed,
> >> 
> >> I do think that MacGregor is having some problems.
>  
> >> When they killed the 26X in favor of the 26M, they
> 
> >> omitted/changed some of the features that
> attracted 
> >> the casual boat owner and added some that were of 
> >> questionable value.  The 26M (IMHO) is not as 
> >> attractive as the 26X.
> >> 
> >> Given the construction and delivery chain problems
> 
> >> alluded to in Jay Hersh's note, there is some
> remedial 
> >> work to be done, if only to the face presented to
> the 
> >> public.  There was a Mac rep in Maine, but he
> dropped 
> >> the Mac line when the 26M came out.
> >> 
> >> Stan certainly has nothing to fear from the 26M.
> >> 
> >> /Robert
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> >> Tootle wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > Robert,
> >> > 
> >> > And Stan thought he had issues with his
> people.  He
> >> ought to read it to his
> >> > guys, that is, if he can translate it to
> Spanish.
> >> > 
> >> > And Stan knows the head fellow of MacGregor!
> >> > 
> >> > If only half of this is true, I guess it
> means that
> >> MacGregor is going
> >> > under.  However, the dealer who delivered
> should have
> >> taken time to check it
> >> > out.  Car dealerships used to check out a car
> prior to
> >> delivery.  Quick way
> >> > to ruin a business.
> >> > 
> >> > On the otherhand, this guy may lack ordinary
> common
> >> boat sense and expect
> >> > after a long trip that everything is perfect.
>  That is
> >> why Stan either goes
> >> > thru the basics at the plant if it is a pick
> up or
> >> sends an experienced
> >> > person to assist with the initial set up.
> >> > 
> >> > Ed K
> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18154416/economics%2B101.jpg
> >> economics+101.jpg
> >> > 
> >> > Robert Skinner wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I received the following message from a
> fellow
> >> sailor,
> >> > > and thought I'd pass it on.  While I
> have not
> >> verified
> >> > > the details and cannot vouch for the
> accuracy
> >> thereof,
> >> > > the general tone seems to indicate
> caution where
> >> Macs
> >> > > are concerned...
> >> > >
> >> > > /Robert
> >> > >
> >> > > -------- Original Message --------
> >> > > Subject: re: August sail
> >> > > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:20:27 -0400
> >> > > From: "Jay Hersh aka Dr.
> Beer(R)"
> >> <jsh at doctorbeer.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > We bought a MacGregor 26M from a
> Colorado dealer
> >> named Kelly Hanson
> >> > > because
> >> > > they had showed at the Boston boat show
> and there
> >> are no MacGregor dealers
> >> > > for 400 miles so it was going to have to
> be
> >> shipped to us anyway. We
> >> > > ordered it in March and Kelly Hanson got
> the
> >> check on April 1st. It
> >> > > cleared
> >> > > my bank account April 3rd, and sincethis
> takes 2
> >> days for out of state
> >> > > checks, they must have deposited the day
> they got
> >> it. That was the last
> >> > > thing about this transaction they did in
> a prompt
> >> manner. The boat didn't
> >> > > arrive until Memorial Day, a month late.
> It is
> >> riddled with problems.
> >> > > Major
> >> > > problems.
> >> > >
> >> > > - Engine won't go into reverse and
> starts in
> >> gear because the throttle
> >> > > cable was not installed correctly.
> >> > > - the Engine wasn't inspected by an
> >> authorized dealer BRP, the parent
> >> > > company of Evinrude, won't validate
> the
> >> warranty until I have this done.
> >> > > - Steering linkage was either a bad
> design or
> >> incorrectly installed
> >> > > because
> >> > > you can't turn to starboard
> >> > > - the trailer torsion bars were never
> adjusted so
> >> the fenders were rubbing
> >> > > the tires. Because the flatbed that was
> supposed
> >> to deliver it from CO
> >> > > broke down in PA the trailer was towed
> by some
> >> 3rd party shipper the last
> >> > > 400 miles. This resulted in the side
> light wiring
> >> chafing away.
> >> > > - Speaker wire was used to extend the
> 14AWG
> >> marine grade wire that
> >> > > connects
> >> > > the 30 Amp main switch panel to the
> battery.
> >> > > - the connection between the 30 Amp
> panel and the
> >> battery had a 10 Amp
> >> > > fuse
> >> > > wired inline, not a 30 Amp. So if you
> flipped
> >> more than one switch on the
> >> > > panel the fuse would blow
> >> > > - the 12 volt power socket which has 20
> guage
> >> wiring and is designed for
> >> > > no
> >> > > more than 10 Amps had the 30 Amp inline
> fuse
> >> wired into it
> >> > > - the engine wasn't connected to the
> >> batteries via the battery selection
> >> > > switch
> >> > > - the 2nd battery I was sold ($195 for
> the
> >> battery, Perko battery switch
> >> > > and installation) was a 75 Amp trolling
> motor
> >> battery
> >> > > - the main battery on the boat was a 450
> Amp, not
> >> the proper size for the
> >> > > ETec 50HP engine I ordered which the
> manufacturer
> >> spec says should have a
> >> > > max cranking amperage of 1000 Amps
> >> > > - the stereo I bought was advertised and
> invoiced
> >> as a "Marine" stereo but
> >> > > instead a car stereo was installed. It
> was
> >> installed in the wrong place
> >> > > and
> >> > > it wasn't even hooked up right.
> there was no
> >> fuse in the inline fuse
> >> > > holder
> >> > > and the wire on the positive wasn't
> stripped
> >> before being crimped in the
> >> > > connector end
> >> > > - They stiffed me for the main sheet,
> genoa sheet
> >> and genoa cars
> >> > > - The $495 Genoa that is advertised as
> having a
> >> sewn on UV cover didn't
> >> > >
> >> > > This is just the short list. There are 2
> full
> >> pages of defects on this
> >> > > boat.
> >> > >
> >> > > When I tried to contact Kelly Hanson
> both the
> >> Sales Director who had sold
> >> > > me the boat (Jeff Stagg) and the Chief
> Financial
> >> Officer (Andrew Etzen)
> >> > > who
> >> > > I'd also dealt with previously
> ignored
> >> repeated emails and calls. I posted
> >> > > something on the MacGregor Sailors web
> page and
> >> the owner of the company
> >> > > Art Kelly called me names and said that
> if
> >> I'd only called him he'd have
> >> > > corrected everything. So I called him
> and he said
> >> to email him the list of
> >> > > problems and the pics I took of them.
> That was
> >> three weeks ago, and as you
> >> > > might be guessing he didn't respond
> to my
> >> email.
> >> > >
> >> > > Next I contacted the East Coast Sales
> Rep who
> >> only recently started with
> >> > > them and works part time while having a
> day job.
> >> He's a nice guy and he
> >> > > came out to my house near Boston two
> weeks aga
> >> and took a look at the
> >> > > lemon
> >> > > of a boat they sent me (we've
> nicknamed it
> >> the Albatross for now) and when
> >> > > I told him that I should be getting
> refunded at
> >> lesat some of my $ for the
> >> > > slipshod work his reply was that calling
> it
> >> slipshod "was being kind." He
> >> > > put together an action list and sent it
> out to
> >> Colorado. The CO office has
> >> > > done nothing. They haven't bothered
> to doing
> >> even the easy stuff on the
> >> > > action list like mailing me the missing
> parts and
> >> they have yet to send me
> >> > > a dime.
> >> > >
> >> > > I've had to shell out $300 to have
> the
> >> trailer repaired earlier this week
> >> > > so I could tow it to the closest
> Evinrude dealer
> >> to have the warranty
> >> > > inspection done, the throttle properly
> connected
> >> and a battery sized for
> >> > > starting this engine installed.
> That's going
> >> to cost a bunch more $.
> >> > >
> >> > > In the meantime Kelly Hanson is blaming
> MacGregor
> >> for some of these
> >> > > problems since it's a custom built
> trailer
> >> and MacGregor installed the
> >> > > engine. They haven't owned up to the
> >> miserable and hazardous wiring job
> >> > > they did and refunded me the $ for the
> labor on
> >> it or the cost of the
> >> > > stereo plus installation. Summer starts
> >> > >
> >> > > The hybrid power sailer of the MacGregor
> is in
> >> principle a good design.
> >> > > MacGregor itself cuts just about every
> corner
> >> they can to squeeze a $1
> >> > > more
> >> > > profit out it. They make claims about
> the boat
> >> that just plain aren't true
> >> > > which I won't go into those here.
> They
> >> don't stand behind their 2 year
> >> > > warranty, and they aren't even
> remotely close
> >> to being qualified to
> >> > > install
> >> > > engines on their boats.
> >> > >
> >> > > Kelly Hanson has a nice web site.
> They've
> >> been selling MacGregors for 1.5
> >> > > to 2 years and have become the largest
> reseller.
> >> Almost nothing Jeff Stagg
> >> > > their sales Director told me about the
> boat
> >> before I bought it is true. He
> >> > > misrepresented so many things about it I
> >> don't know where to start. There
> >> > > is no supervision of whoever is doing
> the install
> >> work on the boats of the
> >> > > options they sell, and despite a lot of
> huffing
> >> and puffing from Art Kelly
> >> > > (who also runs Freedom Boat Works) they
> don't
> >> stand behind the boats they
> >> > > sell.
> >> > >
> >> > > So just like Ishmail in Moby Dick,
> I'm here
> >> to tell you my tale so that
> >> > > you
> >> > > might avoid my fate. Think twice or even
> thrice
> >> before you decide to buy a
> >> > > MacGregor because even if it is
> delivered in the
> >> condition it is supposed
> >> > > to you'll spend lots and lots of
> money and
> >> time just replacing the cheap
> >> > > hardware they use (most of which is
> designed for
> >> much smaller day sailers)
> >> > > with quality stuff. Definitely DO NOT
> BUY A BOAT
> >> FROM KELLY HANSON
> >> > > MARINE!!!! Tell anyone you know that
> might be
> >> thinking of buying a
> >> > > MacGregor not to buy from Kelly Hanson
> Marine.
> >> Tell them to tell everyone
> >> > > they know. Believe me you'll be
> doing people
> >> you never even met a huge,
> >> > > huge favor.
> >> > >
> >> > > If the boat weren't in the shop
> I'd
> >> probably be working another 10-12 hour
> >> > > day on it in the fading hope of getting
> to sail
> >> it this year instead of
> >> > > writing this email.
> >> > > Hope all your summers go better than
> mine has
> >> started out.
> >> > >
> >> > > Jay
> >> > >
> >> > > PS I've created the website
> >> KellyHansonMarineSucks.com and will be posting
> >> > > a list of the defects the boat arrived
> with,
> >> pictures of the slipshod work
> >> > > that was done by them and MacGregor, the
> timeline
> >> of events, and other
> >> > > details.
> >> > >
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> >>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18154416/economics%2B101.jpg
> >> economics+101.jpg
> >> > --
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> >> > 
> >> >
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> >> -- 
> >> Robert Skinner  "Squirrel Haven" 
> >> Gorham, Maine         04038-1331
> >> s/v "Little Dipper" & "Edith
> P."
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