[Rhodes22-list] Mac 26M; bunkmate

[Michael D. Weisner]

Elle,

Even weirder (is that a word?) pulling a skier.  At 20 mph the mpg falls to 
31% of the quoted mpg.

Since I motor at 3-4 mph, I like their "burn rate" of 0.20 gph.  I think 
that my Suzuki DT7.5 runs at 0.7 gph at that speed.  Hey Stan, can I hang a 
320 lbs 75 HP Etec on my R22?  Twice?

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:15 PM
> It just looks really WEIRD to see a sailboat up on plane.
>
> elle
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mac 26M; bunkmate
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 1:04 PM
>> Elle,
>>
>> Gotta love a "sailboat" that only lists the
>> following items in the "Performance Summary" on
>> the spec sheet (
>> http://www.hunterowners.com/images/edge/specs.pdf ):
>>
>>         PERFORMANCE SUMMARY
>>         Best Fuel Efficiency: 8.7 MPG with a range of 94
>> Miles @ 6.7 MPH
>>         Top Speed: 19.9 MPH
>>         Acceleration: 5.71 seconds to plane
>>
>> Now if I could do this trick under sail, I might consider
>> theEdge:
>> http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/fpix.tpl?xfno=2&uid=73293228873&sku=2008168154531.46
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>>
>> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>Sent:
>> Friday, June 27, 2008 12:46 PM
>> > Here's an entrant into the field from Hunter:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.sailboatowners.com/forums/pviewall.tpl?uid=73293228873&sku=2008168154531.46&forumabr=aao&fno=2
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > elle
>> >
>> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>> can adjust our sails.
>> >
>> > 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>>   (Lady in Red)
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Robert Skinner
>> <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Robert Skinner
>> <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fun and Games with A
>> Mac 26M, reply
>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 12:34 PM
>> >> Ed,
>> >>
>> >> I do think that MacGregor is having some problems.
>>
>> >> When they killed the 26X in favor of the 26M, they
>>
>> >> omitted/changed some of the features that
>> attracted
>> >> the casual boat owner and added some that were of
>> >> questionable value.  The 26M (IMHO) is not as
>> >> attractive as the 26X.
>> >>
>> >> Given the construction and delivery chain problems
>>
>> >> alluded to in Jay Hersh's note, there is some
>> remedial
>> >> work to be done, if only to the face presented to
>> the
>> >> public.  There was a Mac rep in Maine, but he
>> dropped
>> >> the Mac line when the 26M came out.
>> >>
>> >> Stan certainly has nothing to fear from the 26M.
>> >>
>> >> /Robert
>> >>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Tootle wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert,
>> >> >
>> >> > And Stan thought he had issues with his
>> people.  He
>> >> ought to read it to his
>> >> > guys, that is, if he can translate it to
>> Spanish.
>> >> >
>> >> > And Stan knows the head fellow of MacGregor!
>> >> >
>> >> > If only half of this is true, I guess it
>> means that
>> >> MacGregor is going
>> >> > under.  However, the dealer who delivered
>> should have
>> >> taken time to check it
>> >> > out.  Car dealerships used to check out a car
>> prior to
>> >> delivery.  Quick way
>> >> > to ruin a business.
>> >> >
>> >> > On the otherhand, this guy may lack ordinary
>> common
>> >> boat sense and expect
>> >> > after a long trip that everything is perfect.
>>  That is
>> >> why Stan either goes
>> >> > thru the basics at the plant if it is a pick
>> up or
>> >> sends an experienced
>> >> > person to assist with the initial set up.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ed K
>> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18154416/economics%2B101.jpg
>> >> economics+101.jpg
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert Skinner wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I received the following message from a
>> fellow
>> >> sailor,
>> >> > > and thought I'd pass it on.  While I
>> have not
>> >> verified
>> >> > > the details and cannot vouch for the
>> accuracy
>> >> thereof,
>> >> > > the general tone seems to indicate
>> caution where
>> >> Macs
>> >> > > are concerned...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > /Robert
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -------- Original Message --------
>> >> > > Subject: re: August sail
>> >> > > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:20:27 -0400
>> >> > > From: "Jay Hersh aka Dr.
>> Beer(R)"
>> >> <jsh at doctorbeer.com>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > We bought a MacGregor 26M from a
>> Colorado dealer
>> >> named Kelly Hanson
>> >> > > because
>> >> > > they had showed at the Boston boat show
>> and there
>> >> are no MacGregor dealers
>> >> > > for 400 miles so it was going to have to
>> be
>> >> shipped to us anyway. We
>> >> > > ordered it in March and Kelly Hanson got
>> the
>> >> check on April 1st. It
>> >> > > cleared
>> >> > > my bank account April 3rd, and sincethis
>> takes 2
>> >> days for out of state
>> >> > > checks, they must have deposited the day
>> they got
>> >> it. That was the last
>> >> > > thing about this transaction they did in
>> a prompt
>> >> manner. The boat didn't
>> >> > > arrive until Memorial Day, a month late.
>> It is
>> >> riddled with problems.
>> >> > > Major
>> >> > > problems.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > - Engine won't go into reverse and
>> starts in
>> >> gear because the throttle
>> >> > > cable was not installed correctly.
>> >> > > - the Engine wasn't inspected by an
>> >> authorized dealer BRP, the parent
>> >> > > company of Evinrude, won't validate
>> the
>> >> warranty until I have this done.
>> >> > > - Steering linkage was either a bad
>> design or
>> >> incorrectly installed
>> >> > > because
>> >> > > you can't turn to starboard
>> >> > > - the trailer torsion bars were never
>> adjusted so
>> >> the fenders were rubbing
>> >> > > the tires. Because the flatbed that was
>> supposed
>> >> to deliver it from CO
>> >> > > broke down in PA the trailer was towed
>> by some
>> >> 3rd party shipper the last
>> >> > > 400 miles. This resulted in the side
>> light wiring
>> >> chafing away.
>> >> > > - Speaker wire was used to extend the
>> 14AWG
>> >> marine grade wire that
>> >> > > connects
>> >> > > the 30 Amp main switch panel to the
>> battery.
>> >> > > - the connection between the 30 Amp
>> panel and the
>> >> battery had a 10 Amp
>> >> > > fuse
>> >> > > wired inline, not a 30 Amp. So if you
>> flipped
>> >> more than one switch on the
>> >> > > panel the fuse would blow
>> >> > > - the 12 volt power socket which has 20
>> guage
>> >> wiring and is designed for
>> >> > > no
>> >> > > more than 10 Amps had the 30 Amp inline
>> fuse
>> >> wired into it
>> >> > > - the engine wasn't connected to the
>> >> batteries via the battery selection
>> >> > > switch
>> >> > > - the 2nd battery I was sold ($195 for
>> the
>> >> battery, Perko battery switch
>> >> > > and installation) was a 75 Amp trolling
>> motor
>> >> battery
>> >> > > - the main battery on the boat was a 450
>> Amp, not
>> >> the proper size for the
>> >> > > ETec 50HP engine I ordered which the
>> manufacturer
>> >> spec says should have a
>> >> > > max cranking amperage of 1000 Amps
>> >> > > - the stereo I bought was advertised and
>> invoiced
>> >> as a "Marine" stereo but
>> >> > > instead a car stereo was installed. It
>> was
>> >> installed in the wrong place
>> >> > > and
>> >> > > it wasn't even hooked up right.
>> there was no
>> >> fuse in the inline fuse
>> >> > > holder
>> >> > > and the wire on the positive wasn't
>> stripped
>> >> before being crimped in the
>> >> > > connector end
>> >> > > - They stiffed me for the main sheet,
>> genoa sheet
>> >> and genoa cars
>> >> > > - The $495 Genoa that is advertised as
>> having a
>> >> sewn on UV cover didn't
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This is just the short list. There are 2
>> full
>> >> pages of defects on this
>> >> > > boat.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > When I tried to contact Kelly Hanson
>> both the
>> >> Sales Director who had sold
>> >> > > me the boat (Jeff Stagg) and the Chief
>> Financial
>> >> Officer (Andrew Etzen)
>> >> > > who
>> >> > > I'd also dealt with previously
>> ignored
>> >> repeated emails and calls. I posted
>> >> > > something on the MacGregor Sailors web
>> page and
>> >> the owner of the company
>> >> > > Art Kelly called me names and said that
>> if
>> >> I'd only called him he'd have
>> >> > > corrected everything. So I called him
>> and he said
>> >> to email him the list of
>> >> > > problems and the pics I took of them.
>> That was
>> >> three weeks ago, and as you
>> >> > > might be guessing he didn't respond
>> to my
>> >> email.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Next I contacted the East Coast Sales
>> Rep who
>> >> only recently started with
>> >> > > them and works part time while having a
>> day job.
>> >> He's a nice guy and he
>> >> > > came out to my house near Boston two
>> weeks aga
>> >> and took a look at the
>> >> > > lemon
>> >> > > of a boat they sent me (we've
>> nicknamed it
>> >> the Albatross for now) and when
>> >> > > I told him that I should be getting
>> refunded at
>> >> lesat some of my $ for the
>> >> > > slipshod work his reply was that calling
>> it
>> >> slipshod "was being kind." He
>> >> > > put together an action list and sent it
>> out to
>> >> Colorado. The CO office has
>> >> > > done nothing. They haven't bothered
>> to doing
>> >> even the easy stuff on the
>> >> > > action list like mailing me the missing
>> parts and
>> >> they have yet to send me
>> >> > > a dime.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I've had to shell out $300 to have
>> the
>> >> trailer repaired earlier this week
>> >> > > so I could tow it to the closest
>> Evinrude dealer
>> >> to have the warranty
>> >> > > inspection done, the throttle properly
>> connected
>> >> and a battery sized for
>> >> > > starting this engine installed.
>> That's going
>> >> to cost a bunch more $.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In the meantime Kelly Hanson is blaming
>> MacGregor
>> >> for some of these
>> >> > > problems since it's a custom built
>> trailer
>> >> and MacGregor installed the
>> >> > > engine. They haven't owned up to the
>> >> miserable and hazardous wiring job
>> >> > > they did and refunded me the $ for the
>> labor on
>> >> it or the cost of the
>> >> > > stereo plus installation. Summer starts
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The hybrid power sailer of the MacGregor
>> is in
>> >> principle a good design.
>> >> > > MacGregor itself cuts just about every
>> corner
>> >> they can to squeeze a $1
>> >> > > more
>> >> > > profit out it. They make claims about
>> the boat
>> >> that just plain aren't true
>> >> > > which I won't go into those here.
>> They
>> >> don't stand behind their 2 year
>> >> > > warranty, and they aren't even
>> remotely close
>> >> to being qualified to
>> >> > > install
>> >> > > engines on their boats.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Kelly Hanson has a nice web site.
>> They've
>> >> been selling MacGregors for 1.5
>> >> > > to 2 years and have become the largest
>> reseller.
>> >> Almost nothing Jeff Stagg
>> >> > > their sales Director told me about the
>> boat
>> >> before I bought it is true. He
>> >> > > misrepresented so many things about it I
>> >> don't know where to start. There
>> >> > > is no supervision of whoever is doing
>> the install
>> >> work on the boats of the
>> >> > > options they sell, and despite a lot of
>> huffing
>> >> and puffing from Art Kelly
>> >> > > (who also runs Freedom Boat Works) they
>> don't
>> >> stand behind the boats they
>> >> > > sell.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > So just like Ishmail in Moby Dick,
>> I'm here
>> >> to tell you my tale so that
>> >> > > you
>> >> > > might avoid my fate. Think twice or even
>> thrice
>> >> before you decide to buy a
>> >> > > MacGregor because even if it is
>> delivered in the
>> >> condition it is supposed
>> >> > > to you'll spend lots and lots of
>> money and
>> >> time just replacing the cheap
>> >> > > hardware they use (most of which is
>> designed for
>> >> much smaller day sailers)
>> >> > > with quality stuff. Definitely DO NOT
>> BUY A BOAT
>> >> FROM KELLY HANSON
>> >> > > MARINE!!!! Tell anyone you know that
>> might be
>> >> thinking of buying a
>> >> > > MacGregor not to buy from Kelly Hanson
>> Marine.
>> >> Tell them to tell everyone
>> >> > > they know. Believe me you'll be
>> doing people
>> >> you never even met a huge,
>> >> > > huge favor.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If the boat weren't in the shop
>> I'd
>> >> probably be working another 10-12 hour
>> >> > > day on it in the fading hope of getting
>> to sail
>> >> it this year instead of
>> >> > > writing this email.
>> >> > > Hope all your summers go better than
>> mine has
>> >> started out.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Jay
>> >> > >
>> >> > > PS I've created the website
>> >> KellyHansonMarineSucks.com and will be posting
>> >> > > a list of the defects the boat arrived
>> with,
>> >> pictures of the slipshod work
>> >> > > that was done by them and MacGregor, the
>> timeline
>> >> of events, and other
>> >> > > details.
>> >> > >
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>> >> economics+101.jpg
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>> >> -- 
>> >> Robert Skinner  "Squirrel Haven"
>> >> Gorham, Maine         04038-1331
>> >> s/v "Little Dipper" & "Edith
>> P."
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