[Rhodes22-list] Herb' reply to Slim - Political - National Anthem -

Thu Mar 6 16:15:30 EST 2008

Ed,

I can't believe you actually quoted Jimma Carta in your defence.  lol
(He was too nice of a guy and too honest to make a good president but as
ex-presidents go, I'm pretty impressed with what he does or at least tries
to do.)
And please, Ed, I'll try not to call you a neo-fascist if you will stop
calling me a neo-communist.

As for your medical question, why don't you just have a few drinks, smoke a
joint and find out for yourself.  8-)

Slim

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:

>
> Herb,
>
> Point well made.  I doubt that neo communists will concede the topic.  At
> first I had thought that Slim had made a valid observation.  However, you
> point out the totality of his ways.  As you say, "I think he's a slick
> politician, and knew that the middle of the road folks would let it slide,
> and the lefties would love it."
>
> Now consider the issue of his staff giving Canada secret assurances that
> his
> comments on NAFTA are just campaign rhetoric.  Unfortunately, 'at the
> meeting which never took place', someone took notes and told the Canadian
> press...  For those who thought that 'Tricky Dickie' was a crook, me among
> them, at least he resigned when caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>
> However, the new communists say it was not their hand or just avoid what
> happened.
>
> John Adams said, "The people have a right, an indisputable, unalienable,
> indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of
> knowledge
> - I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers".
>
> His behavior gets beyond a small omission or causal 'white' lie, but goes
> to
> trust worthiness to hold public office.  If we do not demand the best,
> most
> trustworthy, this is what we get. "We must adjust to changing times and
> still hold to unchanging principles." Jimmy Carter
>
> Some claim to indulge in adult beverages, and maybe smokes of the
> entertainers, but I have to ask for medical opinion.  Does drinking
> alcohol
> and exposure to pot destroy reasoning ability?  I need qualified medical
> opinion here.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> "Just when you think there's nothing to write about, Nixon says, "I am not
> a
> crook." Jimmy Carter says, "I have lusted after women in my heart."
> President Reagan says, "I have just taken a urinalysis test, and I am not
> on
> dope.""  Art Buchwald
>
>
> hparsons wrote:
> >
> > You  know Slim, believe it or not, I agree with you on this one.
> >
> > OK, well, not completely, but at least half-way.
> >
> > I told my wife, that the whole picture of no hand over his heart thing
> > was much ado about nothing. I'm pretty patriotic on things like that,
> > and I suspect if I had camermen following me around as much as they are
> > him, they'd likely catch me in a similar pose a time or two. He's stated
> > publicly several times that he DOESN'T "refuse" to put his hand over his
> > hear durng the national anthem; it's just that he wasn't THAT time (OK,
> > that time, and a few others here and there).
> >
> > I can accept that.
> >
> > Except.
> >
> > When asked about the flag pin (that he DID refuse to wear) he said this:
> >
> > "You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly
> > after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War,
> > that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking
> > out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided
> > I won't wear that pin on my chest."
> >
> > Now keep in mind, we're talking about a US FLAG pin!  Keep that in mind
> > as I connect a few dots.
> >
> > I'll grant him, a flag pin is a symbol. It's even a pretty small one,
> > but it IS a symbol of something important.
> >
> > That got my eyebrows up a little.
> >
> > Then, there was that pesky picture of him wearing Somali tribal
> > clothoes. I understand completely, the nonsense about that indicating he
> > had some sort of Muslim beliefs was just that - nonsens.
> >
> > He put those clothes on as a symbol, that's right a SYMBOL of respect
> > for the people he was visiting. And that's a good thing. I'd probably do
> > exactly the same thing were I in that situation.
> >
> > That was an awful lot of clothing. He must have really wanted to show
> > them that he respected their customs and beliefs. He, no doubt, counted
> > on the intelligence and wisdom of folks to understand that wearing those
> > clothes was a gesture of respect, and did NOT mean he believed as they,
> > or even followed their customs.
> >
> > Of course, wearing a flag pin is too much to ask.  He was concerned that
> > those seeing him wear the flag might mistake it as a symbol of
> > supporting the war.
> >
> > Our flag.
> >
> > Huh?
> >
> > Personally, I think he's a slick politician, and knew that the middle of
> > the road folks would let it slide, and the lefties would love it.
> >
> > So, he took that symbol that he pretended had come to represent some
> > sort of false patriotism, and used it in a negative way to win votes.
> >
> > Sorry Slim, I don't think I want that guy leading my country.
> >
> >
> > Steven Alm wrote:
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> I watched/listened to it several times because it's so good and I
> >> enthusiastically passed it along to others  This is what happens when
> you
> >> combine great talent and hard work with great instruction.  Yes, we
> must
> >> also take our hats off to their teacher!  If those were my students,
> I'd
> >> be
> >> mighty proud of them and quietly proud of myself as well.  Maybe Cora
> >> will
> >> have such a chance some day.  Has she started those piano lessons yet?
> >>
> >> I never heard how/if Obama responded to that but I'm pretty sure he was
> >> thinking, "I hate this country and I hate this song.  If I'm elected
> I'm
> >> going to secretly let thousands of Muslim terrorists into the country
> so
> >> they can blow up these damned infidels and my hand not-on-heart will
> send
> >> a
> >> secret message to my brothers alerting them of my master plan."
> >> Seriously,
> >> I agree it was a gaff--and he has not by any means cornered the market
> on
> >> gaffs--but in all fairness have you never seen baseball players lined
> up
> >> during the SSB and not really paying attention?  Have you never seen
> some
> >> one in church not folding their hands or bowing their head during a
> >> prayer?
> >> That means...what?
> >>
> >> Here's a little anecdote of my own:  There was one time in my band
> >> directing
> >> years when I had to hold a conversation with somebody concerning an
> >> emergency WHILE I was conducting the SSB in front of a thousand people.
> >> I
> >> finished the number but I did speed it up a little toward the end.  I
> >> couldn't have cared less about the music at that moment.  I needed to
> get
> >> it
> >> over with so I could deal with the problem.  Does that make me somehow
> >> less
> >> patriotic?
> >>
> >> You ask who's voting for him?  Um...Brad, I know you follow the news so
> >> you
> >> already know the answer to that.  I know he wasn't a distracted band
> >> leader
> >> or baseball player or in church but please tell me this is not where
> >> you're
> >> hanging your hat.
> >>
> >> Slim
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Brad Haslett  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Ed,
> >>>
> >>> That brought tears to my eyes.  I'd love to be at a medal presentation
> >>> in
> >>> Beijing while the Stars and Stripes are being honored, and sing the
> >>> National
> >>> Anthem with Cora at the top of our lungs.  Too much hassle - we're
> going
> >>> in
> >>> May.  Who's voting for the candidate who can't be bothered with
> putting
> >>> his
> >>> hand over his heart?
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Tootle  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Now on UTube:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=QKCVS57j284
> >>>>
> >>>> Big Al, I hope you have high speed access.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed K
> >>>> Greenville, SC, USA
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