[Rhodes22-list] Herb' reply to Slim - Political - National Anthem -

Tootle ekroposki at charter.net
Thu Mar 6 18:30:24 EST 2008 

Slim,
I think that you need to study the true meaning of the terms you suggested. 
For example, “Fascism a system of government marked by centralization of
authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of
the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of
belligerent nationalism and racism.”  “The name of Mussolini's group of
revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other
countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such
as National Socialism.”  The term is associated with dictatorship and
socialism.  

Remember, several years ago, I advocated that you read “The Case for
Democracy” written by Natan Sharansky, a Russian expatriate Jew living in
Israel.  The subtitle of his book was, “The Power of Freedom to Overcome
Tyranny and Terror.  Capitalism is an economic system based on individual
freedoms to make economic choices.  The American Constitution was a vessel
of human freedom as originally espoused.  

Communism, Socialism, Marxism all takes away individual freedoms.  Both
Barack and Hillary espouse socialist concepts which reduce individual
freedoms and subjugate people to the all powerful state. 

So, as long as you support socialist candidates, you are advocating the
destruction of America.  You are advocating tyranny.  Freedom of speech does
not cover tyrannical words.  

Go back and read Sharansky’s book, it is about freedom…

If you are into Pot, I suggest you study Libertarianism.  

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
“I've looked on many women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart
many times. God knows I will do this and forgives me.” Jimmy Carter 



Steven Alm wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> 
> I can't believe you actually quoted Jimma Carta in your defence.  lol
> (He was too nice of a guy and too honest to make a good president but as
> ex-presidents go, I'm pretty impressed with what he does or at least tries
> to do.)
> And please, Ed, I'll try not to call you a neo-fascist if you will stop
> calling me a neo-communist.
> 
> As for your medical question, why don't you just have a few drinks, smoke
> a
> joint and find out for yourself.  8-)
> 
> Slim
> 
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Herb,
>>
>> Point well made.  I doubt that neo communists will concede the topic.  At
>> first I had thought that Slim had made a valid observation.  However, you
>> point out the totality of his ways.  As you say, "I think he's a slick
>> politician, and knew that the middle of the road folks would let it
>> slide,
>> and the lefties would love it."
>>
>> Now consider the issue of his staff giving Canada secret assurances that
>> his
>> comments on NAFTA are just campaign rhetoric.  Unfortunately, 'at the
>> meeting which never took place', someone took notes and told the Canadian
>> press...  For those who thought that 'Tricky Dickie' was a crook, me
>> among
>> them, at least he resigned when caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>>
>> However, the new communists say it was not their hand or just avoid what
>> happened.
>>
>> John Adams said, "The people have a right, an indisputable, unalienable,
>> indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of
>> knowledge
>> - I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers".
>>
>> His behavior gets beyond a small omission or causal 'white' lie, but goes
>> to
>> trust worthiness to hold public office.  If we do not demand the best,
>> most
>> trustworthy, this is what we get. "We must adjust to changing times and
>> still hold to unchanging principles." Jimmy Carter
>>
>> Some claim to indulge in adult beverages, and maybe smokes of the
>> entertainers, but I have to ask for medical opinion.  Does drinking
>> alcohol
>> and exposure to pot destroy reasoning ability?  I need qualified medical
>> opinion here.
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
>> "Just when you think there's nothing to write about, Nixon says, "I am
>> not
>> a
>> crook." Jimmy Carter says, "I have lusted after women in my heart."
>> President Reagan says, "I have just taken a urinalysis test, and I am not
>> on
>> dope.""  Art Buchwald
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>> >
>> > You  know Slim, believe it or not, I agree with you on this one.
>> >
>> > OK, well, not completely, but at least half-way.
>> >
>> > I told my wife, that the whole picture of no hand over his heart thing
>> > was much ado about nothing. I'm pretty patriotic on things like that,
>> > and I suspect if I had camermen following me around as much as they are
>> > him, they'd likely catch me in a similar pose a time or two. He's
>> stated
>> > publicly several times that he DOESN'T "refuse" to put his hand over
>> his
>> > hear durng the national anthem; it's just that he wasn't THAT time (OK,
>> > that time, and a few others here and there).
>> >
>> > I can accept that.
>> >
>> > Except.
>> >
>> > When asked about the flag pin (that he DID refuse to wear) he said
>> this:
>> >
>> > "You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly
>> > after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War,
>> > that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking
>> > out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I
>> decided
>> > I won't wear that pin on my chest."
>> >
>> > Now keep in mind, we're talking about a US FLAG pin!  Keep that in mind
>> > as I connect a few dots.
>> >
>> > I'll grant him, a flag pin is a symbol. It's even a pretty small one,
>> > but it IS a symbol of something important.
>> >
>> > That got my eyebrows up a little.
>> >
>> > Then, there was that pesky picture of him wearing Somali tribal
>> > clothoes. I understand completely, the nonsense about that indicating
>> he
>> > had some sort of Muslim beliefs was just that - nonsens.
>> >
>> > He put those clothes on as a symbol, that's right a SYMBOL of respect
>> > for the people he was visiting. And that's a good thing. I'd probably
>> do
>> > exactly the same thing were I in that situation.
>> >
>> > That was an awful lot of clothing. He must have really wanted to show
>> > them that he respected their customs and beliefs. He, no doubt, counted
>> > on the intelligence and wisdom of folks to understand that wearing
>> those
>> > clothes was a gesture of respect, and did NOT mean he believed as they,
>> > or even followed their customs.
>> >
>> > Of course, wearing a flag pin is too much to ask.  He was concerned
>> that
>> > those seeing him wear the flag might mistake it as a symbol of
>> > supporting the war.
>> >
>> > Our flag.
>> >
>> > Huh?
>> >
>> > Personally, I think he's a slick politician, and knew that the middle
>> of
>> > the road folks would let it slide, and the lefties would love it.
>> >
>> > So, he took that symbol that he pretended had come to represent some
>> > sort of false patriotism, and used it in a negative way to win votes.
>> >
>> > Sorry Slim, I don't think I want that guy leading my country.
>> >
>> >
>> > Steven Alm wrote:
>> >> Brad,
>> >>
>> >> I watched/listened to it several times because it's so good and I
>> >> enthusiastically passed it along to others  This is what happens when
>> you
>> >> combine great talent and hard work with great instruction.  Yes, we
>> must
>> >> also take our hats off to their teacher!  If those were my students,
>> I'd
>> >> be
>> >> mighty proud of them and quietly proud of myself as well.  Maybe Cora
>> >> will
>> >> have such a chance some day.  Has she started those piano lessons yet?
>> >>
>> >> I never heard how/if Obama responded to that but I'm pretty sure he
>> was
>> >> thinking, "I hate this country and I hate this song.  If I'm elected
>> I'm
>> >> going to secretly let thousands of Muslim terrorists into the country
>> so
>> >> they can blow up these damned infidels and my hand not-on-heart will
>> send
>> >> a
>> >> secret message to my brothers alerting them of my master plan."
>> >> Seriously,
>> >> I agree it was a gaff--and he has not by any means cornered the market
>> on
>> >> gaffs--but in all fairness have you never seen baseball players lined
>> up
>> >> during the SSB and not really paying attention?  Have you never seen
>> some
>> >> one in church not folding their hands or bowing their head during a
>> >> prayer?
>> >> That means...what?
>> >>
>> >> Here's a little anecdote of my own:  There was one time in my band
>> >> directing
>> >> years when I had to hold a conversation with somebody concerning an
>> >> emergency WHILE I was conducting the SSB in front of a thousand
>> people.
>> >> I
>> >> finished the number but I did speed it up a little toward the end.  I
>> >> couldn't have cared less about the music at that moment.  I needed to
>> get
>> >> it
>> >> over with so I could deal with the problem.  Does that make me somehow
>> >> less
>> >> patriotic?
>> >>
>> >> You ask who's voting for him?  Um...Brad, I know you follow the news
>> so
>> >> you
>> >> already know the answer to that.  I know he wasn't a distracted band
>> >> leader
>> >> or baseball player or in church but please tell me this is not where
>> >> you're
>> >> hanging your hat.
>> >>
>> >> Slim
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Brad Haslett  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Ed,
>> >>>
>> >>> That brought tears to my eyes.  I'd love to be at a medal
>> presentation
>> >>> in
>> >>> Beijing while the Stars and Stripes are being honored, and sing the
>> >>> National
>> >>> Anthem with Cora at the top of our lungs.  Too much hassle - we're
>> going
>> >>> in
>> >>> May.  Who's voting for the candidate who can't be bothered with
>> putting
>> >>> his
>> >>> hand over his heart?
>> >>>
>> >>> Brad
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Tootle  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Now on UTube:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=QKCVS57j284
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Big Al, I hope you have high speed access.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ed K
>> >>>> Greenville, SC, USA
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