[Rhodes22-list] March of the Wooden Soldiers - Political Reply -

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Wed Mar 26 18:14:23 EDT 2008 

I beg your pardon David, I challenge you to find one post of mine ever 
that is an example of "characterization of the liberal half of the 
country as socialist". You can't.

I believe; however, specifically that both Hillary and Barak have 
socialist policies. Would you like specific examples, or was the intent 
of your post merely to bait?


David Bradley wrote:
> Herb and Ed,
>
> With all due respect to your thoughtful posts, your consistent
> characterization of the liberal half of the country as socialists is
> nonsense.  Shifting the priorities and policies of the country, both
> domestically and internationally, is not a change in form of
> government.  It's something that generally happens every 4 or 8 years.
>
> >From Merriam-Webster...
>
> so·cial·ism
>
> 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating
> collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means
> of production and distribution of goods
> 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private
> property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of
> production are owned and controlled by the state
> 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between
> capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of
> goods and pay according to work done
>
> So the oil companies are an easy target.  Wah.  They've cleaned up for
> 8 years.  They may have lower return on assets than less
> captial-intensive businesses, but it's about earnings growth.  It's a
> strategic industry - maybe they can put their windfall profits to work
> on new technology.
>
> Health Care is another strategic industry that needs to be protected
> while the badly broken health care payments industry gets fixed.
> Providers are being squeezed and choked because the system is wrong.
> I'm not worried about socialized health care becoming the standard in
> the US - it'll never happen - just don't want some large percentage of
> health care dollars going into the bureacratic black hole that
> currently exists.  A little regulation might be in order - will see
> what they actually come up with.
>
> None of these examples is anything close to socialism - they are the
> levers of democracy and are also spelled out in the Constitution
> (along with national security).
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>   
>> Again, I think he was speaking specifically to the advocates of the
>> current candidates. But that's just me reading things in context.
>>
>> And, the current Democratic candidates are most definitely advocating
>> socialism. When one candidate plays the populous song of taking money
>> from the oil companies and giving it to causes of her choice, that's
>> socialism, at its worst. The oil companies make less money per invested
>> dollar than most other companies, and less money per gallon than the
>> government. Of course, those facts are easy to ignore, when you want to
>> pound the drum agains the "evil big companies".
>>
>>
>> David Bradley wrote:
>>     
>>> Herb, the statement, "the advocates of 'The focus is on change' should
>>> move to Cuba, Russia, etc." is broadly inclusive in my interpretation.
>>>  I disagree with painting anyone who believes in somthing other than
>>> what he believes in as being part of an inferior philosophy and
>>> couching it in quasi-historical stereotypes.  I also would like to
>>> defend the use of soundbites, as I don't have as much time as some
>>> others  -)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I don't think Ed actually said "anyone"... I think he was addressing
>>>> specifics of the candidates involved. With what part do you disagree
>>>> with him?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Bradley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> So, Ed, anyone who wants change from the current state of the union is
>>>>> an "ist" of some sort?  Color me an optimist.  I'll happily take
>>>>> Hillary or Barack and hope like hell we can get onto a sustainable
>>>>> path in the world in which we supposedly play a leadership role.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> So the slogan is "The focus is on change", from Americanism to Socialism.
>>>>>> Yes play Robin Hood, albeit in a perverse way, that is steal from workers to
>>>>>> pay for your favorite charities.  "The focus is on change" advocates espouse
>>>>>> their "Five year Plan" as envisioned in the Soviet Empire.  Socialism,
>>>>>> Communism, or the current National Democratic Party want you.  And the
>>>>>> wooden soldiers march to their drumbeat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They blame Repulicans for racism, yet have espoused the welfare state to
>>>>>> enslave not only blacks, but all.  Socialism is just individual enslavement
>>>>>> to beauracrats with the enventual destruction of a good standard of living
>>>>>> for all.  Yes, support your Marxist advocates yelling "The focus is on
>>>>>> change".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I have said before, the advocates of "The focus is on change" should move
>>>>>> to Cuba, Russia, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fifth column marches its wooden soldiers on... to the drumbeat of "The
>>>>>> focus is on change".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p16277595/judgement.gif judgement.gif
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim, will you post the rest of the lyrics and music for the song, "The
>>>>>> focus is on change".  And do tell us the words to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th
>>>>>> stanzas...  I want to compare it to, "L'Internationale"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim, listen here:
>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000002H8C/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img?ie=UTF8&refTagSuffix=dp_img
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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