[Rhodes22-list] March of the Wooden Soldiers - Political Reply -

[David Bradley]

Herb,

Advocates of the current (democratic) candidates would include the
50+% that intend to vote for one of them, but I accept your point and
apologize if I misrepresented your views.  And no, my intent was not
to bait but to make a point about my beliefs on the difference between
being a liberal (good) and a socialist (bad).  I would absolutely like
to hear specific examples.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> I beg your pardon David, I challenge you to find one post of mine ever
> that is an example of "characterization of the liberal half of the
> country as socialist". You can't.
>
> I believe; however, specifically that both Hillary and Barak have
> socialist policies. Would you like specific examples, or was the intent
> of your post merely to bait?
>
>
>
> David Bradley wrote:
> > Herb and Ed,
> >
> > With all due respect to your thoughtful posts, your consistent
> > characterization of the liberal half of the country as socialists is
> > nonsense.  Shifting the priorities and policies of the country, both
> > domestically and internationally, is not a change in form of
> > government.  It's something that generally happens every 4 or 8 years.
> >
> > >From Merriam-Webster...
> >
> > so·cial·ism
> >
> > 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating
> > collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means
> > of production and distribution of goods
> > 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private
> > property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of
> > production are owned and controlled by the state
> > 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between
> > capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of
> > goods and pay according to work done
> >
> > So the oil companies are an easy target.  Wah.  They've cleaned up for
> > 8 years.  They may have lower return on assets than less
> > captial-intensive businesses, but it's about earnings growth.  It's a
> > strategic industry - maybe they can put their windfall profits to work
> > on new technology.
> >
> > Health Care is another strategic industry that needs to be protected
> > while the badly broken health care payments industry gets fixed.
> > Providers are being squeezed and choked because the system is wrong.
> > I'm not worried about socialized health care becoming the standard in
> > the US - it'll never happen - just don't want some large percentage of
> > health care dollars going into the bureacratic black hole that
> > currently exists.  A little regulation might be in order - will see
> > what they actually come up with.
> >
> > None of these examples is anything close to socialism - they are the
> > levers of democracy and are also spelled out in the Constitution
> > (along with national security).
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Again, I think he was speaking specifically to the advocates of the
> >> current candidates. But that's just me reading things in context.
> >>
> >> And, the current Democratic candidates are most definitely advocating
> >> socialism. When one candidate plays the populous song of taking money
> >> from the oil companies and giving it to causes of her choice, that's
> >> socialism, at its worst. The oil companies make less money per invested
> >> dollar than most other companies, and less money per gallon than the
> >> government. Of course, those facts are easy to ignore, when you want to
> >> pound the drum agains the "evil big companies".
> >>
> >>
> >> David Bradley wrote:
> >>
> >>> Herb, the statement, "the advocates of 'The focus is on change' should
> >>> move to Cuba, Russia, etc." is broadly inclusive in my interpretation.
> >>>  I disagree with painting anyone who believes in somthing other than
> >>> what he believes in as being part of an inferior philosophy and
> >>> couching it in quasi-historical stereotypes.  I also would like to
> >>> defend the use of soundbites, as I don't have as much time as some
> >>> others  -)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I don't think Ed actually said "anyone"... I think he was addressing
> >>>> specifics of the candidates involved. With what part do you disagree
> >>>> with him?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> David Bradley wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> So, Ed, anyone who wants change from the current state of the union is
> >>>>> an "ist" of some sort?  Color me an optimist.  I'll happily take
> >>>>> Hillary or Barack and hope like hell we can get onto a sustainable
> >>>>> path in the world in which we supposedly play a leadership role.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> So the slogan is "The focus is on change", from Americanism to Socialism.
> >>>>>> Yes play Robin Hood, albeit in a perverse way, that is steal from workers to
> >>>>>> pay for your favorite charities.  "The focus is on change" advocates espouse
> >>>>>> their "Five year Plan" as envisioned in the Soviet Empire.  Socialism,
> >>>>>> Communism, or the current National Democratic Party want you.  And the
> >>>>>> wooden soldiers march to their drumbeat.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They blame Repulicans for racism, yet have espoused the welfare state to
> >>>>>> enslave not only blacks, but all.  Socialism is just individual enslavement
> >>>>>> to beauracrats with the enventual destruction of a good standard of living
> >>>>>> for all.  Yes, support your Marxist advocates yelling "The focus is on
> >>>>>> change".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As I have said before, the advocates of "The focus is on change" should move
> >>>>>> to Cuba, Russia, etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The fifth column marches its wooden soldiers on... to the drumbeat of "The
> >>>>>> focus is on change".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p16277595/judgement.gif judgement.gif
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Slim, will you post the rest of the lyrics and music for the song, "The
> >>>>>> focus is on change".  And do tell us the words to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th
> >>>>>> stanzas...  I want to compare it to, "L'Internationale"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Slim, listen here:
> >>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000002H8C/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img?ie=UTF8&refTagSuffix=dp_img
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ed K
> >>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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