[Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes and those who reason only ...
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Mon Nov 10 15:32:34 EST 2008
Besides, NOW you've got John who you can ask in amazement about putting
up his charitable giving.
Or do you reserver your disdain for such things only for those you don't
like?
C'mon Slim, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Hey, does it mitigate things with you any that some of the charitable
giving was to musical groups? We didn't get to actually claim them on
our taxes, but we gave anyway.
You're an artist, right? Have you given to help others that are
struggling in your field?
Steven Alm wrote:
> Note to self: Stay out of discussions with Herb. He brings out the worst
> in me and nothing good ever comes of that.
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:
>
>
>> Herb,
>>
>> What are you trying to say? This is an attempt to phonetically spell a
>> foreign word, the name that they were known as, not just a name that was
>> applied to a location.
>>
>> You guessed wrong.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November 10,
>> 2008 9:50 AM
>>
>>> I'd say the indians didn't name the reservation, so my guess would be
>>> that the English spelling works.
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> How is it that an English language spelling of a non-English word can be
>>>> said to be spelled incorrectly?
>>>>
>>>> A simple review of documents pertaining to the "Sissiton" through Google
>>>> revealed the following treaty with the Sioux (original scan of printed
>>>> text)
>>>> regarding the "Sissiton Bands" in which both spellings are used on the
>>>> same
>>>> page of the document:
>>>> http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Kappler/vol2/pgimages/sio0956.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Inconsistencies in translations of foreign words into common language
>>>> seem
>>>> to occur fairly often. When in China, just try to order Beijing Duck.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November
>>>>
>> 10,
>>
>>>> 2008 8:36 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> C'mon now, if a guy wants to get bent out of shape over being born on a
>>>>> reservation and his treatment of the "Injuns" by "the white man", then
>>>>> can't spell the tribe's name, I say an exception is certainly in order.
>>>>>
>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>> At one time we had a list member named Steve who had a problem with
>>>>>> spelling
>>>>>> and grammar. At that time it was determined that spelling and
>>>>>> grammatical
>>>>>> errors were not fair game. It simply would have been to easy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:27:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My my Slim, little overboard there, aren't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, I don't REALLY want to put my 1099 up. I figured John would bow
>>>>>> out. He did.
>>>>>> You missed the percentage, by a considerable amount.
>>>>>> I don't belong to a fundamentalist church.
>>>>>> The church I belong to doesn't really tell me to do much of anything.
>>>>>> I've been there a while, they know that telling me what to do doesn't
>>>>>> work well
>>>>>> Probably about 1/2 of what we give to charity goes to our local
>>>>>> church.
>>>>>> There are several other entities that we give to as well.
>>>>>> Cheerleader? Wow. Because I ride with a group of guys that pay their
>>>>>> respects at funerals? And you call ME "a bore".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think if you'll reread my post, I never said anything similar to
>>>>>> "the
>>>>>> white man didn't take it away from them". As a matter of fact, I
>>>>>>
>> think
>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> said just the opposite. They were defeated by a stronger enemy. Look
>>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>> little closer to home for the idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't care to kiss your ass, not really into that, but feel free to
>>>>>> invite what guys you can find that are. And, I don't care where you
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> born, you're still an idiot. If you were born on the Sisseton
>>>>>> reservation in SD, I'd figure you'd at least know the tribe was
>>>>>> Sisseton
>>>>>> not Sissiton.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, I never said anything about fences, but some tribes most
>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>> had concepts of "land ownership". They defended their hunting grounds
>>>>>> against other tribes as fiercely as the white man defended their
>>>>>> fences.
>>>>>> Two cultures clashed, the more advanced of the two prevailed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, it's a moot point. I was talking about the founding fathers, not
>>>>>> the "white man" in general. The founding fathers were not involved in
>>>>>> breaking treaties, decimation of tribes, or the spreading of
>>>>>>
>> smallpox.
>>
>>>>>> South Dakota was the still the mostly unexplored frontier, and I
>>>>>>
>> don't
>>
>>>>>> think they (the founding fathers) had much exposure to the Sisseton
>>>>>> tribe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And none of that has anything to do with John's stupid statement
>>>>>>
>> about
>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> "final solution".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have much in the way of charity or compassion for folks that
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> long since gone. Not much I can do for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have any idea how much you sound like you're talking out your
>>>>>>> ass?
>>>>>>> Do you really want to put up your 1099 to show off what you've
>>>>>>> donated
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> charity? You're such a bore. I'm going to guess that maybe you
>>>>>>> tithe
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church because they tell you to--out
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> false compassion. And the money goes to your church--not anything
>>>>>>> real.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at best a small percentage. I know you donate your time riding your
>>>>>>> motorcycle around for stuff but is that actually giving? You're a
>>>>>>> cheerleader. Great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the Native Americans you don't seem to have a grasp on
>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> because the Injuns didn't have a concept of land ownership or fences
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mean the white man didn't take it away from them. You're an idiot.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> Indians were living in the stone-age and were decimated by the white
>>>>>>> man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of greed and arrogance. There was no need for that. To say that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely usurps all that compassion
>>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>>> charity that you espouse. You're full of shit! I was born on the
>>>>>>> Sissiton
>>>>>>> reservation in South Dakota and you can kiss my ass!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John,"
>>>>>>>> (at least you are capable of starting a post properly by addressing
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> name. I assumed you were ignorant at first but now I see you're
>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>> rude.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Go screw yourself."
>>>>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore perhaps you could send a pic
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> you accomplish it yourself.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I've never offered anything like a ""final solution"".
>>>>>>>> You're reference reveals you for what you are."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or what I am)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as me "detesting" anyone, you again speak from total
>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>> I'll make a deal with you though, I'll make my tax returns for the
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>> 10 years public on here to show how much I've given to charity if
>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>> do the same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the pharisee and the old woman who
>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> temple to make sacrifice?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You ready to put up? I doubt it. I suspect the size of your mouth
>>>>>>>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>>>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and your actions are far lacking
>>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>>> to either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (In the mouth and ego department its no contest you win)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the government determines a need for social charity programs,
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> should do so by purchasing land they need. Simple. If it's too
>>>>>>>> expensive, buy elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (that's what is happening in this instance so what's your problem)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As to your notion about "stealing it from the original owners",
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> land are you talking about? You'll have to be a little more
>>>>>>>> specific.
>>>>>>>> Some of the Indian tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of "owning
>>>>>>>> land".
>>>>>>>> Others regularly took land from each other by armed conflict. So,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> "theft" was actually their normally accepted means of transfer,
>>>>>>>>
>> they
>>
>>>>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger enemy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (like white men with guns and smallpox infested blankets? do the
>>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>>> "trail of tears" mean anything to you?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
>>
>>>>>>
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