[Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes and those who reason only ...

Steven Alm stevenalm at gmail.com
Mon Nov 10 14:24:45 EST 2008 

Note to self:  Stay out of discussions with Herb.  He brings out the worst
in me and nothing good ever comes of that.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:

> Herb,
>
> What are you trying to say?  This is an attempt to phonetically spell a
> foreign word, the name that they were known as, not just a name that was
> applied to a location.
>
> You guessed wrong.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November 10,
> 2008 9:50 AM
> > I'd say the indians didn't name the reservation, so my guess would be
> > that the English spelling works.
> >
> >
> > Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >> Herb,
> >>
> >> How is it that an English language spelling of a non-English word can be
> >> said to be spelled incorrectly?
> >>
> >> A simple review of documents pertaining to the "Sissiton" through Google
> >> revealed the following treaty with the Sioux (original scan of printed
> >> text)
> >> regarding the "Sissiton Bands" in which both spellings are used on the
> >> same
> >> page of the document:
> >> http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Kappler/vol2/pgimages/sio0956.jpg
> >>
> >> Inconsistencies in translations of foreign words into common language
> >> seem
> >> to occur fairly often.  When in China, just try to order Beijing Duck.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> >>        Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November
> 10,
> >> 2008 8:36 AM
> >>
> >>> C'mon now, if a guy wants to get bent out of shape over being born on a
> >>> reservation and his treatment of the "Injuns" by "the white man", then
> >>> can't spell the tribe's name, I say an exception is certainly in order.
> >>>
> >>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Herb,
> >>>> At one time we had a list member named Steve who had a problem with
> >>>> spelling
> >>>> and grammar. At that time it was determined that spelling and
> >>>> grammatical
> >>>> errors were not fair game. It simply would have been to easy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rummy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:27:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> My my  Slim, little overboard there, aren't you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Nah, I don't REALLY want to  put my 1099 up. I figured John would bow
> >>>> out. He did.
> >>>> You missed the  percentage, by a considerable amount.
> >>>> I don't belong to a fundamentalist  church.
> >>>> The church I belong to doesn't really tell me to do much of  anything.
> >>>> I've been there a while, they know that telling me what to do  doesn't
> >>>> work well
> >>>> Probably about 1/2 of what we give to charity goes to  our local
> >>>> church.
> >>>> There are several other entities that we give to as  well.
> >>>> Cheerleader? Wow. Because I ride with a group of guys that pay their
> >>>> respects at funerals? And you call ME "a bore".
> >>>>
> >>>> I think if you'll  reread my post, I never said anything similar to
> >>>> "the
> >>>> white man didn't  take it away from them". As a matter of fact, I
> think
> >>>> I
> >>>> said just the  opposite. They were defeated by a stronger enemy. Look
> a
> >>>> little closer to  home for the idiot.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't care to kiss your ass, not really into  that, but feel free to
> >>>> invite what guys you can find that are. And, I  don't care where you
> >>>> were
> >>>> born, you're still an idiot. If you were born on  the Sisseton
> >>>> reservation in SD, I'd figure you'd at least know the tribe  was
> >>>> Sisseton
> >>>> not Sissiton.
> >>>>
> >>>> And, I never said anything about fences,  but some tribes most
> >>>> definitely
> >>>> had concepts of "land ownership". They  defended their hunting grounds
> >>>> against other tribes as fiercely as the  white man defended their
> >>>> fences.
> >>>> Two cultures clashed, the more advanced  of the two prevailed.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, it's a moot point. I was talking about the  founding fathers, not
> >>>> the "white man" in general. The founding fathers  were not involved in
> >>>> breaking treaties, decimation of tribes, or the  spreading of
> smallpox.
> >>>> South Dakota was the still the mostly unexplored  frontier, and I
> don't
> >>>> think they (the founding fathers) had much exposure  to the Sisseton
> >>>> tribe.
> >>>>
> >>>> And none of that has anything to do with John's  stupid statement
> about
> >>>> a
> >>>> "final solution".
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't have much in the  way of charity or compassion for folks that
> >>>> are
> >>>> long since gone. Not much  I can do for them.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Do you have any idea how much you sound like you're talking out your
> >>>>> ass?
> >>>>> Do you really want to put up your 1099 to show off what you've
> >>>>> donated
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> charity?   You're such a bore.  I'm going to  guess that maybe you
> >>>>> tithe
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church  because they tell you to--out
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> false compassion.  And the money  goes to your church--not anything
> >>>>> real.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Or
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> at best a small  percentage.  I know you donate your time riding your
> >>>>> motorcycle  around for stuff but is that actually giving?  You're a
> >>>>>  cheerleader.  Great.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for the Native Americans you  don't seem to have a grasp on
> >>>>> history.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Just
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> because the Injuns  didn't have a concept of land ownership or fences
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> doesn't
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> mean the  white man didn't take it away from them.  You're an idiot.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> Indians were living in the stone-age and were decimated by the  white
> >>>>> man
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> out
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> of greed and arrogance.  There was no need for  that.  To say that
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely  usurps all that compassion
> and
> >>>>> charity that you espouse.  You're  full of shit!  I was born on the
> >>>>> Sissiton
> >>>>> reservation in South  Dakota and you can kiss my ass!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Slim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun,  Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "John,"
> >>>>>> (at least  you are capable of starting a post properly by addressing
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>> by
> >>>>>>  name. I assumed you were ignorant at first but now I see you're
> >>>>>> simply
> >>>>>> rude.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Go screw  yourself."
> >>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore perhaps you  could send a pic
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> how
> >>>>>> you accomplish it  yourself.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "I've never offered anything like a ""final  solution"".
> >>>>>> You're reference reveals you for what you  are."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or what I  am)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As far as me "detesting" anyone, you again speak  from total
> >>>>>> ignorance.
> >>>>>> I'll make a deal with you though, I'll make  my tax returns for the
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>> 10 years public on here to show how  much I've given to charity if
> >>>>>> you'll
> >>>>>> do the  same.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the pharisee and  the old woman who
> >>>>>> went
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> temple to make  sacrifice?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You ready to put up? I doubt it. I suspect  the size of your mouth
> is
> >>>>>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and your  actions are far lacking
> >>>>>> compared
> >>>>>> to  either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (In the mouth and ego department its no  contest you win)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If the government determines a need  for social charity programs,
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> should do so by purchasing land  they need. Simple. If it's too
> >>>>>> expensive, buy  elsewhere.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (that's what is happening in this instance  so what's your problem)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As to your notion about  "stealing it from the original owners",
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>> land are you talking  about? You'll have to be a little more
> >>>>>> specific.
> >>>>>> Some of the  Indian tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of "owning
> >>>>>> land".
> >>>>>>  Others regularly took land from each other by armed conflict. So,
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> "theft" was actually their normally accepted means of  transfer,
> they
> >>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger  enemy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (like white men with guns and smallpox infested  blankets? do the
> >>>>>> words
> >>>>>> "trail of tears" mean anything to  you?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
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