[Rhodes22-list] for Brad's eyes and those who reason only ...

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Mon Nov 10 10:46:42 EST 2008 

Herb,

What are you trying to say?  This is an attempt to phonetically spell a 
foreign word, the name that they were known as, not just a name that was 
applied to a location.

You guessed wrong.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 
2008 9:50 AM
> I'd say the indians didn't name the reservation, so my guess would be
> that the English spelling works.
>
>
> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Herb,
>>
>> How is it that an English language spelling of a non-English word can be
>> said to be spelled incorrectly?
>>
>> A simple review of documents pertaining to the "Sissiton" through Google
>> revealed the following treaty with the Sioux (original scan of printed 
>> text)
>> regarding the "Sissiton Bands" in which both spellings are used on the 
>> same
>> page of the document:
>> http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Kappler/vol2/pgimages/sio0956.jpg
>>
>> Inconsistencies in translations of foreign words into common language 
>> seem
>> to occur fairly often.  When in China, just try to order Beijing Duck.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>>        Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Monday, November 10,
>> 2008 8:36 AM
>>
>>> C'mon now, if a guy wants to get bent out of shape over being born on a
>>> reservation and his treatment of the "Injuns" by "the white man", then
>>> can't spell the tribe's name, I say an exception is certainly in order.
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>> At one time we had a list member named Steve who had a problem with
>>>> spelling
>>>> and grammar. At that time it was determined that spelling and
>>>> grammatical
>>>> errors were not fair game. It simply would have been to easy.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:27:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> My my  Slim, little overboard there, aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> Nah, I don't REALLY want to  put my 1099 up. I figured John would bow
>>>> out. He did.
>>>> You missed the  percentage, by a considerable amount.
>>>> I don't belong to a fundamentalist  church.
>>>> The church I belong to doesn't really tell me to do much of  anything.
>>>> I've been there a while, they know that telling me what to do  doesn't
>>>> work well
>>>> Probably about 1/2 of what we give to charity goes to  our local 
>>>> church.
>>>> There are several other entities that we give to as  well.
>>>> Cheerleader? Wow. Because I ride with a group of guys that pay their
>>>> respects at funerals? And you call ME "a bore".
>>>>
>>>> I think if you'll  reread my post, I never said anything similar to 
>>>> "the
>>>> white man didn't  take it away from them". As a matter of fact, I think 
>>>> I
>>>> said just the  opposite. They were defeated by a stronger enemy. Look a
>>>> little closer to  home for the idiot.
>>>>
>>>> I don't care to kiss your ass, not really into  that, but feel free to
>>>> invite what guys you can find that are. And, I  don't care where you 
>>>> were
>>>> born, you're still an idiot. If you were born on  the Sisseton
>>>> reservation in SD, I'd figure you'd at least know the tribe  was 
>>>> Sisseton
>>>> not Sissiton.
>>>>
>>>> And, I never said anything about fences,  but some tribes most 
>>>> definitely
>>>> had concepts of "land ownership". They  defended their hunting grounds
>>>> against other tribes as fiercely as the  white man defended their 
>>>> fences.
>>>> Two cultures clashed, the more advanced  of the two prevailed.
>>>>
>>>> But, it's a moot point. I was talking about the  founding fathers, not
>>>> the "white man" in general. The founding fathers  were not involved in
>>>> breaking treaties, decimation of tribes, or the  spreading of smallpox.
>>>> South Dakota was the still the mostly unexplored  frontier, and I don't
>>>> think they (the founding fathers) had much exposure  to the Sisseton
>>>> tribe.
>>>>
>>>> And none of that has anything to do with John's  stupid statement about 
>>>> a
>>>> "final solution".
>>>>
>>>> I don't have much in the  way of charity or compassion for folks that 
>>>> are
>>>> long since gone. Not much  I can do for them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Do you have any idea how much you sound like you're talking out your
>>>>> ass?
>>>>> Do you really want to put up your 1099 to show off what you've 
>>>>> donated
>>>>> to
>>>>> charity?   You're such a bore.  I'm going to  guess that maybe you 
>>>>> tithe
>>>>> a
>>>>> full 10% to your fundamentalist church  because they tell you to--out 
>>>>> of
>>>>> false compassion.  And the money  goes to your church--not anything
>>>>> real.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> at best a small  percentage.  I know you donate your time riding your
>>>>> motorcycle  around for stuff but is that actually giving?  You're a
>>>>>  cheerleader.  Great.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the Native Americans you  don't seem to have a grasp on 
>>>>> history.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Just
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> because the Injuns  didn't have a concept of land ownership or fences
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> doesn't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> mean the  white man didn't take it away from them.  You're an idiot.
>>>>> The
>>>>> Indians were living in the stone-age and were decimated by the  white
>>>>> man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> out
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> of greed and arrogance.  There was no need for  that.  To say that 
>>>>> they
>>>>> simply met a stronger enemy completely  usurps all that compassion and
>>>>> charity that you espouse.  You're  full of shit!  I was born on the
>>>>> Sissiton
>>>>> reservation in South  Dakota and you can kiss my ass!
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun,  Nov 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM, John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "John,"
>>>>>> (at least  you are capable of starting a post properly by addressing 
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>  name. I assumed you were ignorant at first but now I see you're
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>> rude.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Go screw  yourself."
>>>>>> (Sorry to old to bend that way anymore perhaps you  could send a pic 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> you accomplish it  yourself.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I've never offered anything like a ""final  solution"".
>>>>>> You're reference reveals you for what you  are."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (you have no clue as to who or what I  am)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as me "detesting" anyone, you again speak  from total 
>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>> I'll make a deal with you though, I'll make  my tax returns for the
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> 10 years public on here to show how  much I've given to charity if
>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>> do the  same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Do you recall the parable of the pharisee and  the old woman who 
>>>>>> went
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> temple to make  sacrifice?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You ready to put up? I doubt it. I suspect  the size of your mouth is
>>>>>> exceeded mainly by your ego, and your  actions are far lacking 
>>>>>> compared
>>>>>> to  either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (In the mouth and ego department its no  contest you win)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the government determines a need  for social charity programs, 
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> should do so by purchasing land  they need. Simple. If it's too
>>>>>> expensive, buy  elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (that's what is happening in this instance  so what's your problem)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to your notion about  "stealing it from the original owners", 
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> land are you talking  about? You'll have to be a little more 
>>>>>> specific.
>>>>>> Some of the  Indian tribes didn't ascribe to the notion of "owning
>>>>>> land".
>>>>>>  Others regularly took land from each other by armed conflict. So, 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> "theft" was actually their normally accepted means of  transfer, they
>>>>>> simply were defeated by a stronger  enemy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (like white men with guns and smallpox infested  blankets? do the 
>>>>>> words
>>>>>> "trail of tears" mean anything to  you?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/for-Brad%27s-eyes-and-those-who-reason-only-...-tp20405744p20414236.html
>>>>
>>>>
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